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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 4, 2008 8:52 PM
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What part of my telling you that the Soviets were essential to the war and expelling the Germans from Poland didn't you understand?
I don't uderstand that comparing Stalin with Hitler is like comparing dead with humilization. Soviet didn't build consetrations camps all over Poland. Soviets army were there for 50 years plus 250 under Russians. How many Polls were killed thousands not millions. That Polish cheap behavior after `1920 made Soviets to attacked. About Lwov is only one city which less important them Gdansk or Prusians cities. About Kalingrad city does Soviets could get something after fighting war almost alone. Kenisberg is the smalest price Germans payed. 20 countries lets see. Ukraine, Belarusia, Litva, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungaria, Estonia, Germany, Poland, Austria, Cheholovakia, China, Mongolia, Manguria, Greece, Iran, Finland, Korea. If you called Czechoslovakia as Czech and Slovaks it 2 separate countries
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 5, 2008 12:16 AM
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> I don't uderstand that comparing Stalin with Hitler
> r is like comparing dead with humilization. Soviet
> didn't build consetrations camps all over Poland.
When have I ever said that Stalin tried to wipe out an entire group of people, solely based on what ethnicity or religion they were? I have not done so, nor will I. The USSR didn't build camps throughout Poland, it is true. I just don't get why you insist the best that Polish officers deserved was to be sent to gulags in Siberia to hang out with fellow inmate Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Before you say what a loser he was, he supported Putin's administration and the direction Russia is currently going. He was a nationalist, just not a communist later in life.
> Soviets army were there for 50 years plus 250 under
> Russians. How many Polls were killed thousands not
> millions. That Polish cheap behavior after `1920 made
> Soviets to attacked. About Lwov is only one city
> which less important them Gdansk or Prusians cities.
Thank you for admitting Lwow should never have been taken. I grant you the annexation of the rest of eastern Poland after 1945. Poland was fairly compensated, as was the USSR.
> About Kalingrad city does Soviets could get something
> after fighting war almost alone. Kenisberg is the
> smalest price Germans payed.
I just granted you that...
20 countries lets see.
> Ukraine, Belarusia, Litva, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria,
> Hungaria, Estonia, Germany, Poland, Austria,
> Cheholovakia, China, Mongolia, Manguria, Greece,
> Iran, Finland, Korea. If you called Czechoslovakia
> as Czech and Slovaks it 2 separate countries
I thought the USSR annexed: Ukraine, Belarussia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. The people of those countries wouldn't really call that liberation. Especially in the Baltic States. Same for eastern Germany. Manchuria is a part of China, you can't really call it two countries. You did free it from the Japanese, but the rest of China no one liberated. The Japanese surrendered it on V-J in 1945, and Mao Zedong won control of it in 1949, four years AFTER the war ended. The same situation applies for Korea as China. And Iran? Who was it liberated from? The Axis were never in Iran to begin with.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 5, 2008 7:35 AM
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I thought the USSR annexed: Ukraine, Belarussia, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. The people of those countries wouldn't really call that liberation. Especially in the Baltic States. Same for eastern Germany. Manchuria is a part of China, you can't really call it two countries. You did free it from the Japanese, but the rest of China no one liberated. The Japanese surrendered it on V-J in 1945, and Mao Zedong won control of it in 1949, four years AFTER the war ended. The same situation applies for Korea as China. And Iran? Who was it liberated from? The Axis were never in Iran to begin with.
Soviets armies were in Pekin in August 1945 of cause it was civil war in China when Soviet left. But majority of China belong to Soviets only Taiwan and Honk Kong area wasn't liberated. About Korea you wrong again Soviets were there during war with Japan as Hocaida was occupied for short time by Soviet army. About Baltic states majority were happy when Soviet came back only Germans friends were angry. But Baltic states were under Soviets control for 50 years. Only now they express bad feelings towards us. Iran was pro German state and Soviets change the shah there.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 8, 2008 8:33 PM
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I think they all tied for first.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 9, 2008 10:20 AM
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RED ARMY.
What is your motivation behind asking these ridiculous questions?ie;
"Worst Camps"," Were German soldiers animal cruel?" etc.
Your posts are terrible, you make NO effort to clean them up and make them legible.
It's a message board, you have all the time in the world to edit and sort out your thoughts before posting.
Please consider my question with seriousness and give us all the answer.
Why do you keep asking us about how awful the germans were?
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Aug 21, 2008 8:13 PM
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redarmy
He obviously has some serious axe to grind against the Germnas. Fair enough and good luck to him, but people in glass houses really should be careful about them stones.
Only Chairman Mao has more blood on his hands than old uncle Joe. I always find it pleasingly ironic that that the moral Allies fighting evil for the good of mankind allied itself with the nations that had the largest two mass murderers in history to defeat the third largest killer in history.
MOST german soldiers were conscripted and fought for their country, their family and themselves. The real criminals are those in the German High Command who knew the war was lost as early as 41-42 yet did not do anything about it.
As for morality and evel the US commited the largest and most successful ethnic cleansing in history. UK and France has some real unpleasant episodes in their Imperail past.
Sorry the post is a little dijointed but am drunk!!!!!! Also sad that the most sensible post on this thread came from a guest.
Germans High Command were criminals Germans soldiers were inocent. But I think even Hitler didn't kill any one during ww 2. It was brave Germans soldiers who killed not Germans High Command. Killing only 26 millions civilians in USSR alone I don't mention Poland and manority. Plus 3 millions Soviets soldiers captured in the start of war with USSR. I bet Hitler who gave orders couldn't beliave that Germans solders who do that. Who is more guilty Hitler who give craze orders because he was craze. Or Germans soldiers who execute orders of craze Command. Did you kill any one? Do you know is not easy. You need to be not really humans to kill children. Normal human being is not kill children or civilians. Do you know that in legal country guilty the person who killed.
About glass houses in resent time Russia opened their arhives. Stalin Gulags didn't killed so many peoples as clammed by Solshinicun. it was around 3 millions people during 30 years and half of them died during the ww 2 when food and medical help was scare. Hitler killed more then any one even Mao. All people killed in Europe during ww 2 from any side put to Hitler because he started war.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 21, 2008 8:26 PM
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Red,
Why don't you read and comment on Stalin's forced famine. A post I put up about a week ago. 7,000,000 people starved to death to further Stalin's plan for modernization. A shameful part of Soviet history.
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Aug 21, 2008 8:57 PM
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Red,
Why don't you read and comment on Stalin's forced famine. A post I put up about a week ago. 7,000,000 people starved to death to further Stalin's plan for modernization. A shameful part of Soviet history.
I like your persistent point of view. You must prove you point of view. How you know it was 7 millions and how you know it was man made. Maybe some one in Moscow didn't count and it was made famine. Man famine was in Warsaw geto or starving Soviets Pow soldiers. How you know Stalin didn't help send food to Ukraine when it was famine. People were hospitalized and children were send care by goverment.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 21, 2008 9:05 PM
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Why don't you read the post? I think you will learn something about your hero uncle Joe.
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Aug 21, 2008 9:15 PM
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Why don't you read the post? I think you will learn something about your hero uncle Joe.
I prefer hero Stalin then your hero Hitler.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 21, 2008 9:21 PM
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My heros are the fighting men of the Western allies. My grandfathers in particular.
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Aug 21, 2008 10:11 PM
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My heros are the fighting men of the Western allies. My grandfathers in particular.
do you really think your grandpa was hero. Landing to the end of the war isn't really hero behaviour. I bet Soviets could count any nurse hero in their armies because they longer in the front.
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Aug 21, 2008 10:44 PM
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My Grandfathers signed up as volunteers before your USSR was even in the fray my friend. Yes they were heros, although only one was decorated with the military cross they were both heros. My Dutch relatives seem to agree, my Grandmother was liberated by her brave Canadian tanker, she married him.
Your mighty red army wouldn't have fared so well without the massive Canadian shipments it received. A great percentage of Canadian war materiel was sent to the USSR to help her in her struggle.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 28, 2008 4:42 PM
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as far as living conditions go, Auschwitz was the worst up until the last months of the war, then Belsen became the worst. when Rudolf Hoess and others from Auschwitz visited Belsein in late 1944/early 1945 even they were amazed at the terrible conditions there.
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Sep 2, 2008 8:59 AM
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y Grandfathers signed up as volunteers before your USSR was even in the fray my friend. Yes they were heros, although only one was decorated with the military cross they were both heros. My Dutch relatives seem to agree, my Grandmother was liberated by her brave Canadian tanker, she married him.
Your mighty red army wouldn't have fared so well without the massive Canadian shipments it received. A great percentage of Canadian war materiel was sent to the USSR to help her in her struggle.
Reseiving shipments is nothing wrong with it. Heroes behavior is fighting without waiting betters weapons. Western armies showed their cowardies during both wars. Landing in Normandy in the end of the war isn't hero behavior.
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