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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
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Stalin new how to show his appreciation to those captured by Germans. Soviet citizens repatriated from wartime detention in foreign prisons and work camps are deemed to be traitors and are executed or deported to Soviet prison camps. Over 1.5 million Red Army soldiers imprisoned by the Germans are sent to the Gulag or to labour camps in Siberia and the far north. Stalin even disowns his surviving son, Vasily, who had been captured by the Germans in 1941.
You as easual you wrong if you doesn't know Stalins children. You stupid write here without prove. Stalin had 3 kids. Yakov Stalin was captured after plane crash. Stalin never even considered change him for German field marshal Paulus. It was brave act by Stalin many people in USSR lost their kids. Stalin wasn't special. If you stupid beliave that Stalin arest his wife and his grandkids you must be stupid. Stalin was Gergian were sons are very important his always love his first son. Georgian nation is very traditional. That Stalin never change his son for any Germans. Look Churshev son now is American citizen. Stalin grandson is living in Moscow and live free everybody love him. I bet if Hitler grand kids live in Berlin they would be cut on pices by Germans.
About 1.5 soldiers send to Gulag you wrong again. I don't undertand why you writing here all your info is lie.
Soviet POWs on their return to the Soviet Union were often treated as traitors (see Order No. 270).[26][27][28] According to some sources, over 1.5 million surviving Red Army soldiers imprisoned by the Germans were sent to the Gulag.[29][30][31] However, according to the data obtained from declassified archives, the overall increase of the Gulag population was minimal during 1945-46.[32] Majority of ex-POW's were re-drafted or returned to civilian life, and only 15% of them were detained in NKVD camps (226,127 out of 1,539,475 total).[33]
I don't understand who are you some kind Pol or German whose relatives were suffered under Stalin. But I can tell you grow up you get your live because of Stalin. If Hitler was in power Poland wouldn't exits. Soviet blood is save assses and stop blaming Stalin because you are loser. It wasn't Stalin it was you who is loser. About Katyn It was write that 25,000 were killed there. Pols hate to Russian is very famous at list Soviets diserve it. before Pols just hate without any Soviet guilt.
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Jul 30, 2008 9:12 AM
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"It was good that they kill them. The problem was that Soviets hided it.It would be better made court and execute if find guilty."
I can't believe you say the things you do, "It was good that they kill them", I must ask if you hear yourself? Stalin's POW's sent to Siberia were another real threat, children, babies, women of Polish military reserve. Why kill them if they could freeze, starve and be worked to death.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Jul 30, 2008 11:03 AM
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It was good that they kill them. The problem was that Soviets hided it.It would be better made court and execute if find guilty."
I can't believe you say the things you do, "It was good that they kill them", I must ask if you hear yourself? Stalin's POW's sent to Siberia were another real threat, children, babies, women of Polish military reserve. Why kill them if they could freeze, starve and be worked to death.
In Katyn killing no children and womans killed it was small percentage of Polish army. Many were officers and generals soldiers were send to Ukraine. It wasn't bad majority surived up to 1942 when Anders army was form. About killing Polish officers it was war time and Poland didn't exist where we need to send them?
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Jul 30, 2008 11:09 AM
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> form. About killing Polish officers it was war time
> and Poland didn't exist where we need to send them?
Maybe the Polish officers should've been sent to a POW CAMP?! Wait a minute, I keep forgetting that Stalin was an unprosecuted war criminal who never signed the Geneva Convention...
Also, I've read about the part of Poland annexed by the USSR in 1939 as rightfully belonging to the USSR. Much of that may have been true, but certainly not Lwow/Lviv. That had never been owned by the Russians before that time and never should've been taken.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Jul 30, 2008 9:16 PM
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I can't believe you say the things you do, "It was good that they kill them", I must ask if you hear yourself? Stalin's POW's sent to Siberia were another real threat, children, babies, women of Polish military reserve. Why kill them if they could freeze, starve and be worked to death.
In Katyn killing no children and womans killed it was small percentage of Polish army. Many were officers and generals soldiers were send to Ukraine. It wasn't bad majority surived up to 1942 when Anders army was form. About killing Polish officers it was war time and Poland didn't exist where we need to send them?
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Jul 30, 2008 9:31 PM
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> Stalin new how to show his appreciation to those
> captured by Germans. Soviet citizens repatriated from
> wartime detention in foreign prisons and work camps
> are deemed to be traitors and are executed or
> deported to Soviet prison camps. Over 1.5 million Red
> Army soldiers imprisoned by the Germans are sent to
> the Gulag or to labour camps in Siberia and the far
> north. Stalin even disowns his surviving son, Vasily,
> who had been captured by the Germans in 1941.
> You as easual you wrong if you doesn't know Stalins
> children. You stupid write here without prove. Stalin
> had 3 kids. Yakov Stalin was captured after plane
> crash. Stalin never even considered change him for
> German field marshal Paulus. It was brave act by
> Stalin many people in USSR lost their kids. Stalin
> wasn't special. If you stupid beliave that Stalin
> arest his wife and his grandkids you must be stupid.
> Stalin was Gergian were sons are very important his
> always love his first son. Georgian nation is very
> traditional. That Stalin never change his son for any
> Germans. Look Churshev son now is American citizen.
> Stalin grandson is living in Moscow and live free
> everybody love him. I bet if Hitler grand kids live
> in Berlin they would be cut on pices by Germans.
> About 1.5 soldiers send to Gulag you wrong again. I
> don't undertand why you writing here all your info is
> lie.
> Soviet POWs on their return to the Soviet Union were
> often treated as traitors (see Order No.
> 270).[26][27][28] According to some sources, over 1.5
> million surviving Red Army soldiers imprisoned by the
> Germans were sent to the Gulag.[29][30][31] However,
> according to the data obtained from declassified
> archives, the overall increase of the Gulag
> population was minimal during 1945-46.[32] Majority
> of ex-POW's were re-drafted or returned to civilian
> life, and only 15% of them were detained in NKVD
> camps (226,127 out of 1,539,475 total).[33]
> I don't understand who are you some kind Pol or
> German whose relatives were suffered under Stalin.
> But I can tell you grow up you get your live because
> of Stalin. If Hitler was in power Poland wouldn't
> exits. Soviet blood is save assses and stop blaming
> Stalin because you are loser. It wasn't Stalin it was
> you who is loser. About Katyn It was write that
> 25,000 were killed there. Pols hate to Russian is
> very famous at list Soviets diserve it. before Pols
> just hate without any Soviet guilt.
Red you are killing me, when I read this I just about fell out of my chair. You should move West and perform this parody as a professional comedian, you would make a killing. Ivan from Siberia, here's you...
http://www.boratonline.co.uk/
Thanks again for the laugh.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Jul 31, 2008 3:58 AM
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> Would someone bar this creep? Now he says the Katyn
> massacre was good! He is obviously sick in the head.
Not sick, just Russian...  Believe it or not, but most of his views are, unfortunately, rather mainstream in contemporary Russia.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
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Maybe the Polish officers should've been sent to a POW CAMP?! Wait a minute, I keep forgetting that Stalin was an unprosecuted war criminal who never signed the Geneva Convention...
I like your opinuon yancy. Of cause Stalin could send them to POW camps in Siberia. But their conditions must be the same as Pols gives our soldiers after WW1 and Polish Soviet war 1920. I don't understand what is problem is? Pols killed more after ww 1 Russian soldiers and trying looks as virgin. The topic here about that Germans build 15,000 concetration camp in Poland. It would be nice if they stay longer in Poland, or Soviets used all of them as Germans. Maybe it wouldn't any bad filling after killed 80 percent Pols as Hitler planned. Maybe after Hitler killed 80 percent Pols others 20 would have better filling towards Soviet. Be reasonable yancy you write like normal person not Nazi or Polish nationalist. Soviets stayed in Poland for 50 years and how many Pols killed? If you say thousands I would say you not even million? Population of Poland around 35 millions or 24 millions. Think if even Hitler killed around 50 percents is around 5 millions for less then 4 years. How many he would killed for 50 years. 50 millions twice of population of Poland. In Soviets time 1970 Poland out grow its prewar population. Would Hitler allow Poland to increase population? I bet he wouldn't.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 3, 2008 4:20 AM
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> I like your opinuon yancy. Of cause Stalin could send
> them to POW camps in Siberia. But their conditions
> must be the same as Pols gives our soldiers after WW1
> and Polish Soviet war 1920. I don't understand what
> is problem is? Pols killed more after ww 1 Russian
> soldiers and trying looks as virgin.
An eye for an eye, then? Didn't I hear somewhere that if everyone used that as a bar for justice, then the whole world would be blind? What ever happened to the GENEVA CONVENTION? Stalin purposely didn't sign that agreement in order not to be held to it...
The topic here
> about that Germans build 15,000 concetration camp in
> Poland. It would be nice if they stay longer in
> Poland, or Soviets used all of them as Germans. Maybe
> it wouldn't any bad filling after killed 80 percent
> Pols as Hitler planned. Maybe after Hitler killed 80
> percent Pols others 20 would have better filling
> towards Soviet.
I hope this is sarcasm. I hope you are not now ADVOCATING the genocide of the Poles. You sound like it would've been good for EITHER Stalin OR Hitler to wipe them out. Are the 15K camps you are referring to including Einsatzgruppen sites, or where SS came into villages shooting civilians? These are more than "camps" in the classic sense.
Would Hitler
> allow Poland to increase population? I bet he
> wouldn't.
I agree there. His plan was to use Poland, and most of Soviet territory west of the Volga, as his "Lebensraum" for massive German families to provide soldiers to take over the world. Poles, and all the rest of the Slavs, were to be used for slave labor. All documents of the time show that to be the plan.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 3, 2008 11:50 AM
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Would Hitler
> allow Poland to increase population? I bet he
> wouldn't.
I agree there. His plan was to use Poland, and most of Soviet territory west of the Volga, as his "Lebensraum" for massive German families to provide soldiers to take over the world. Poles, and all the rest of the Slavs, were to be used for slave labor. All documents of the time show that to be the plan.
The most of Soviet territory what is wrong with you look at the map it isn't 10 percent of USSR.
Pols and the rest of the Slavs. The difference between other Slavs is that Russian were fighting and others Slavs still alive because of Russians. This is huge difference between Slavs as you say. if it wasn't Russian other Slavs would history. and be nice say thank to best Slavs Russian.
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Aug 3, 2008 11:55 AM
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> pro Ukrane and Nazi regime. It was good that they
> kill them. The problem was that Soviets hided it.It
> would be better made court and execute if find guilty.
>>>>This is the most-confusing part. Which is it? It was good that the NKVD killed them? Or take them to court and execute the guilty for war crimes? I'm very confused by that one... >>>>>>
He's saying it would have looked better if they went to the trouble of having a kangaroo court with an automatic guilty sentence. Adds some legitimacy in the minds of some people. It's nauseating to listen to.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 3, 2008 12:25 PM
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> The most of Soviet territory what is wrong with you
> look at the map it isn't 10 percent of USSR.
> Pols and the rest of the Slavs. The difference
> between other Slavs is that Russian were fighting and
> others Slavs still alive because of Russians. This is
> huge difference between Slavs as you say. if it
> wasn't Russian other Slavs would history. and be nice
> say thank to best Slavs Russian.
I try to be the most civil person towards you on this board, and for the life of me I often can't understand why. Yeah, the territory is 10% or less, but makes up around 50% (probably more) of the population and economic resources (oil in the Caucasus, food in the Ukraine and Don valleys, etc.).
How can you still say other Slavs weren't fighting? I have said before and say again, the Poles fought on every single front in the war: Anders' front in the East, Sikorski's group for the British, Monte Cassino, D-Day, the Battle of Britain. The Russians were the ones who sat in the Praga district of Warsaw watching while the Nazis killed the Home Army during the uprising of August 1944, while the Poles died trying to liberate their country, naively hoping their "allies" would aid in the rescue.
And I know about the huge differences, it's this type of Russian arrogance when you demand that other Slavs be perpetually in your debt why most other Slavs can't stand the Russians. It's also why most French can't stand Americans.
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I try to be the most civil person towards you on this board, and for the life of me I often can't understand why. Yeah, the territory is 10% or less, but makes up around 50% (probably more) of the population and economic resources (oil in the Caucasus, food in the Ukraine and Don valleys, etc.).
How can you still say other Slavs weren't fighting? I have said before and say again, the Poles fought on every single front in the war: Anders' front in the East, Sikorski's group for the British, Monte Cassino, D-Day, the Battle of Britain. The Russians were the ones who sat in the Praga district of Warsaw watching while the Nazis killed the Home Army during the uprising of August 1944, while the Poles died trying to liberate their country, naively hoping their "allies" would aid in the rescue.
And I know about the huge differences, it's this type of Russian arrogance when you demand that other Slavs be perpetually in your debt why most other Slavs can't stand the Russians. It's also why most French can't stand Americans.
Pols maybe fighting but result was minimal. Of cause you can fight Germans in Italy or Africa but as in Napolion you fight in Spain time it was far from Poland. The Russian fighted with big result liberating around 20 countries from Germans. Including your ow country Poland. I always amazed how Pols could be un thank full towards Russians. Whole country were giving them plus around 10 percent of Germany. Your army was comical during ww 2. You never get your country back with your army. It was Soviet blood who saved you from Germans. and you behave as teenage child during your long history. Every time fighting against Russians starting with Kulikovo battle. Just tried to be friends with Russians they much stronger then you. Don't try to brake betton wall with your head. Tried be thank full to Soviets even in not popular.
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Re: What German concetration camp was the worst.
Aug 3, 2008 3:04 PM
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> Pols maybe fighting but result was minimal. Of cause
> e you can fight Germans in Italy or Africa but as in
> Napolion you fight in Spain time it was far from
> Poland. The Russian fighted with big result
> liberating around 20 countries from Germans.
> Including your ow country Poland. I always amazed how
> Pols could be un thank full towards Russians. Whole
1st: I am not Polish. I was born in PA and have no Polish ancestry in my blood.
2nd: I counted Finland (dubious whether they would say liberated), Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, and Greece as being liberated by the USSR. That is eight countries, 11 if you count the Baltic States, which you really can't considering what happened to them.
> country were giving them plus around 10 percent of
> Germany. Your army was comical during ww 2.
Poland didn't get all of her country back. You never answered my points about Lwow, remember? I recall the USSR getting the Königsberg area of East Prussia, now under Russian control as the KALININGRAD ENCLAVE. And the Polish army wasn't as strong as the USSR. I GRANT YOU THAT? Do you ever ACKNOWLEDGE the points I give you? But they were far better than the Danes, the Norwegians, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Italians, the Greeks, the Yugoslavs, the Romanians, the Bulgarians, and the French. They fought to the end, just as I have ALWAYS said the Soviets would have done in the same situation. I take NOTHING away from the tenacity of the Soviet military. The other Allies would've been in mortal danger without it.
You never
> get your country back with your army. It was Soviet
> blood who saved you from Germans.
Your response to the lack of Soviet help during the Warsaw Uprising of August 1944 is...???
and you behave as
> teenage child during your long history. Every time
> fighting against Russians starting with Kulikovo
> battle. Just tried to be friends with Russians they
> much stronger then you.
So the Poles should let the Russians forever disregard and ur in ate on their sovereignty, and beg the Russian gods for mercy?
> wall with your head. Tried be thank full to Soviets
> even in not popular.
What part of my telling you that the Soviets were essential to the war and expelling the Germans from Poland didn't you understand?
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