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Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 7:54 AM
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Was Churchill the original war criminal because he was the first to order the use of strategic bombers on civilian populations with the express purpose of instilling terror?
John Dower of Harvard hints at it here ...
http://www2.pulsetv.com/prodinfo-tv.asp?number=4184&evtv=5622
and revisionists make the explicit argument here ...
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/blitz.html
'Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly three months after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets. Hitler would have been willing at any time to stop the slaughter. "
I'm convinced. (Note: I had to do a little detour through Guernica, but that was not a Nazi operation and was not a terror bombing, despite the painting)
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 8:28 AM
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No, because Hitler was the first to order the bombing of civilians, not Churchill. This has subject has been done to death and I anticipate Nashwan will correct that Nazi website's errors.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 10:49 AM
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> Was Churchill the original war criminal because he
> was the first to order the use of strategic bombers
> on civilian populations with the express purpose of
> instilling terror?
Actually, that would be the German Kaiser Wilhelm II during WW1 when he launched a bombing campaign on the British Isles from 1915, with the stated intent of terrorising the British population.
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well said, Hitler was only following...
Oct 31, 2009 11:15 AM
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well said, Hitler was only following precedent set by the Kaiser, and Churchill only responded in kind.
Responding doesn't equate with being the "original"; God what a lame post!
Even less belivable than "Saggy's" normal crap.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 12:10 PM
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Hitler ordered the terror bombing of Warsaw, in 1939 before Churchill was PM. THe governments of Romania, Yugoslavia and hungary were shown films of the bombing of Rottermdam and WArsaw as examples of what would happen to their cities if they did not sign treaties with Germany which did happen to Yugoslavia.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 2:28 PM
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Hitler ordered the terror bombing of Warsaw, in 1939 before Churchill was PM.
Warsaw was an immediate military objective, and .... from
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Siege:of:Warsaw.htm
The 1939 Battle of Warsaw was fought between the Polish "Warsaw Army" (Armia Warszawa) garrisoned and entrenched in the capital of Poland ( Warsaw) and the German Army. It started with a huge aerial bombardment s by the Luftwaffe starting on September 1, 1939.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 2:28 PM
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Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
No.
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and revisionists make the explicit argument here ...
And the "revisionists" you speak of usually go under the more colorful term LIARS (as seen here http://www.hdot.org/trial/
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 3:34 PM
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civillians were killed, the luftwaffe made no attempt to distinguish between military and non-military targets . they bombed for the sake of terrorizing the Poles into surrendering. Germany had no legal right to attack Poland and was guilty of a crime. As far as crime what about the destruction of Lidice simply for retaliation.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 3:35 PM
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Also Hitler was willingto stop war with Britain only so he could slaughter slavs with out hinderence.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 3:41 PM
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Poor Saggy. His black clad idols had their ars*s given to them by our glorious Soviet Allies so he has to content himself with trying to tar others with the same brush as that Monster Hitler.
Let us leave him to his dreams......................................................................................................................
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Oct 31, 2009 8:45 PM
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Instilling terror on the enemy that had declared war on you and bombed your cities is pretty much what you want to do isn't it?
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Nov 1, 2009 2:25 AM
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> 'Hitler only undertook the bombing of British
> civilian targets reluctantly three months after the
> RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets.
Complete lie.
The Germans began bombing with attacks on Poland. They then went on to heavily bomb Norway. The RAF didn't respond. The Germans then began bombing France, Belgium and the Netherlands. The RAF responded by bombing German military targets directly behind the lines.
The Germans then bombed Rotterdam, and the RAF responded by bombing military targets in Germany. The rules were strict, if the bombers couldn't find their assigned targets they were to bring their bombs back, or jettison them at sea.
That remained British policy until mid September 1940, by which time several thousand British civilians had been killed by the Luftwaffe.
> Hitler would have been willing at any time to stop
> the slaughter. "
Germany started mass bombing in Poland and Norway and the Netherlands. Britain responded with small scale attacks on military targets. When the Luftwaffe failed to destroy the RAF in the BoB, Germany started mass bombing of British cities.
Hitler showed no desire to stop bombing when he thought it might work. In the words of JM Spaight:
That the Germans, having so set the pace in Norway, should protest in the name of humanity when we, having caught them up, stiffened the going for them in the Ruhr, is an indication of the amazing obtuseness of the Teutonic mentality
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As it was he [Hitler] chose to set a precedent for the bombing of centres of population in this war at its very outset and thereby prejudiced his position as the advocate of the mutual abandonment by the belligerents of the practice of strategic bombing. In short, it was he who really began the battles of the towns. He is probably very sorry now that he ever did so.
I'm sure Hitler was desperate for an end to the bombing, in 1943. Bit late, though.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Nov 1, 2009 8:23 AM
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[That remained British policy until mid September 1940, by which time several thousand British civilians had been killed by the Luftwaffe. ]
You seem to be arguing apples vs. oranges .....
Sir Basil Collier, author of 'The Defence of the United Kingdom', the HMSO's official history, wrote:
Although the plan adopted by the Luftwaffe early September had mentioned attacks on the population of large cities, detailed records of the raids made during the autumn and the winter of 1940-41 does not suggest that indiscriminate bombing of the civilians was intended.
The issue is who initiated the indiscriminate intentional bombing of civilians in WW II. The argument is that Churchill is responsible, over the objections of Chamberlin.
From a previous link .....
'Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly three months after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets..............we have shrunk from giving our great decision of May 11th, 1940, the publicity it deserves.' J.M. Spaight, CB, CBE, Principal Secretary to the Air Ministry, Bombing Vindicated.
Who is J.M. Spaight? J. M. Spaight (1877-1968) was easily the most prolific British writer on airpower during the first half of the 20th century, with over a dozen books to his name.
For more info on Spaight see http://airminded.org/biographies/j-m-spaight/
Note - there is data to suggest that Churchill is the culprit, but the year wrong, that Churchill initiated terror bombing in Iraq in the 20's ! see...
http://en.internationalism.org/wr/265_terror1920.htm
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Nov 1, 2009 8:26 AM
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> No, because Hitler was the first to order the bombing
> of civilians,
Tell that to the Chinese. Of course being British you probably figure WW2 never started until ya'al were involved.
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Re: Was Churchill the original terrorist and war criminal ?
Nov 1, 2009 8:38 AM
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In all fairness to the RAF Bomber Command. If they never spent the better part of WW2 killing German women and kids, in the middle of the night, what else could they do? The Brit’s tried fighting the Luftwaffe during the hours of daylight, and had their butts handed to them. So they quit. Well, a German city full of sleeping kids and women would be kinda easy to find. They could hit that, in the dark. So guess what? They did nothing but just that until the USAAF had hammered the Luftwaffe and German military production during the daytime when targets could actually be seen. That was the RAF’s Bomber Command’s contribution to WW2.
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