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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 10, 2008 7:18 PM
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all individuals have a right to an opinion, doesnt matter if they have a Phd or not. something i find interestiong is how this neo nazi phenomenom is more common in ex soviet satelite states, such as Poland, Ukraine and others. even in Russia we can see this phenomenom in action with the beatings of thousands of immigrants there.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/skinheads/skinheads49.html
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 15, 2008 1:44 PM
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all individuals have a right to an opinion, doesnt matter if they have a Phd or not. something i find interestiong is how this neo nazi phenomenom is more common in ex soviet satelite states, such as Poland, Ukraine and others. even in Russia we can see this phenomenom in action with the beatings of thousands of immigrants there.
The reason why Soviet Union won is multinational of communizm and role of Stalin as none Russian. Now in Russia is young people as stupid as in Germany and America before. Living in pour enviropment people start blaming ex citizens from ex USSR. The Russians were manority in ex USSR, the Central Asia and Caucouse was the main .This national policies sponsored by Russian goverment who want stopped emigrations of none Russian people. It remind me present time Germany where you must have 1-4 German blood to be citizens. Russian birght rate are small majority would be Russian muslim in 100 years. Why Russian goverment try stopped muslin emigration.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 15, 2008 5:05 PM
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The German Army in WWII had traditions that go back as far as Fredrick the Great. By having respect for the German Army in WWII does not one make a Neo Nazi anymore than respect of the US military of today makes one a Neo Con. At least part of the German officer corps tried to knock off Hitler that is more than can be said about knocking off Bush.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 21, 2008 11:20 AM
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I'm proud to be German, despite the fact of the Holocaust.
I don't think less of Eric Hartmann, or Michael Wittman, or my great uncle Hubert Greim (JG2) or my great grandfather Robert Ritter von Greim because of the horrible crimes committed by their countrymen during the war "behind their backs".
I believe my grandmother when she told me that the Holocaust was a shock to learn about after the war. I believe her when she says that she (and most germans) didn't assume they were being gassed when they were told they were being "re-settled" in Poland.
Sorry to disappoint the copious Germany haters here, but its just my 2 cents, and I'm certainly NOT alone.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 21, 2008 2:04 PM
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> I'm proud to be German, despite the fact of the
> Holocaust.
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> I don't think less of Eric Hartmann, or Michael
> Wittman, or my great uncle Hubert Greim (JG2) or my
> great grandfather Robert Ritter von Greim because of
> the horrible crimes committed by their countrymen
> during the war "behind their backs".
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> I believe my grandmother when she told me that the
> Holocaust was a shock to learn about after the war. I
> believe her when she says that she (and most germans)
> didn't assume they were being gassed when they were
> told they were being "re-settled" in Poland.
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> Sorry to disappoint the copious Germany haters here,
> but its just my 2 cents, and I'm certainly NOT alone.
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> Jan
Dear VG 2,
This is not a denial, it is s statement of what some average Germans believed was happening. Americans have our Nisei Americans to account to; but the fact is we didn't kill them outright.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 21, 2008 2:15 PM
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"> I'm proud to be German,"
Odd, for some reason I thought you were an American citizen.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 21, 2008 7:08 PM
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redarmy
He obviously has some serious axe to grind against the Germnas. Fair enough and good luck to him, but people in glass houses really should be careful about them stones.
Only Chairman Mao has more blood on his hands than old uncle Joe. I always find it pleasingly ironic that that the moral Allies fighting evil for the good of mankind allied itself with the nations that had the largest two mass murderers in history to defeat the third largest killer in history.
MOST german soldiers were conscripted and fought for their country, their family and themselves. The real criminals are those in the German High Command who knew the war was lost as early as 41-42 yet did not do anything about it.
As for morality and evel the US commited the largest and most successful ethnic cleansing in history. UK and France has some real unpleasant episodes in their Imperail past.
Sorry the post is a little dijointed but am drunk!!!!!! Also sad that the most sensible post on this thread came from a guest.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 21, 2008 7:34 PM
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redarmy
He obviously has some serious axe to grind against the Germnas. Fair enough and good luck to him, but people in glass houses really should be careful about them stones.
Only Chairman Mao has more blood on his hands than old uncle Joe. I always find it pleasingly ironic that that the moral Allies fighting evil for the good of mankind allied itself with the nations that had the largest two mass murderers in history to defeat the third largest killer in history.
MOST german soldiers were conscripted and fought for their country, their family and themselves. The real criminals are those in the German High Command who knew the war was lost as early as 41-42 yet did not do anything about it.
As for morality and evel the US commited the largest and most successful ethnic cleansing in history. UK and France has some real unpleasant episodes in their Imperail past.
Sorry the post is a little dijointed but am drunk!!!!!! Also sad that the most sensible post on this thread came from a guest.
Germans High Command were criminals Germans soldiers were inocent. But I think even Hitler didn't kill any one during ww 2. It was brave Germans soldiers who killed not Germans High Command. Killing only 26 millions civilians in USSR alone I don't mention Poland and manority. Plus 3 millions Soviets soldiers captured in the start of war with USSR. I bet Hitler who gave orders couldn't beliave that Germans solders who do that. Who is more guilty Hitler who give craze orders because he was craze. Or Germans soldiers who execute orders of craze Command. Did you kill any one? Do you know is not easy. You need to be not really humans to kill children. Normal human being is not kill children or civilians. Do you know that in legal country guilty the person who killed.
About glass houses in resent time Russia opened their arhives. Stalin Gulags didn't killed so many peoples as clammed by Solshinicun. it was around 3 millions people during 30 years and half of them died during the ww 2 when food and medical help was scare. Hitler killed more then any one even Mao. All people killed in Europe during ww 2 from any side put to Hitler because he started war.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 25, 2008 8:44 AM
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I am an American citizen. I also have a German passport, the land of my birth, and funnily enough a brazilian one too from my mother's side of the family.
I am equally proud of all three nationalities!!!
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi. Okham
Aug 25, 2008 12:43 PM
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My old American friend!-tut!-tut!-Irecall American-German Nazis parading through the German enclave of Yorkville in New York city ipre-war.
Also what about the German -American Bund?.
I can also recall back in 1964 seeing a photograph of George Lincoln Riockwell who was leader of the American Nazi Party then-that was in 1964 for cripes sakes when we Brits were freaking out to the Beatles.
Also don't forget Okham ,that Baldur Von Shirach, the Nazi youth leader was a direct descendant of Friedrich Karl Von Shirach who served as a Brigadier on the Union side in the American Civil War (1861-65).
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi. Von Greim being anti-Nazi doesn'
Aug 25, 2008 12:54 PM
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a German hater- just somebody with excellent moral judgement.
Your remarks about being ''resettled'' are also nonsensical-this was a Nazi euphemism for deporting German Jews to places likec Auschwitz to murder them it was NEVER used to those Nazi supporting Germans who were resettled in the east after the whole Polish population of Zamosc were deported to Auschwitz and other camps to make way for ethnic Germans .
Be proud to be German -a great nation in many respects- who have contributed much to the world from discovering X-rays to Beethoven's glorious Ninth Symphony. But not during 1933-45 when they were ruled by the worst regime in western European history-a bunch of criminalls who prostituted Rontgen's great invention of X-Rays to castrate Jewish men.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi. Von Greim being anti-Nazi doesn'
Aug 25, 2008 2:42 PM
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" Your remarks about being ''resettled'' are also nonsensical-"
They were the words of his grandmother. And no, they were not ,"Non-sensical", it was what the nazi government was using as a cover story while systematically executing and working people to death.
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The above exchange is typical of much of this,(and many other), forums.
We have a well intentioned post,(VonGreim), which mentions real history from someone who lived through it, then we have some acidic self-confessed german-hater who rips on the guy's post.
So easy to be socially disconnected and mount up on the high horse of morality and yell at people. Especially over the internet.
Hey VonGreim,
I too have similar stories from my wifes grandparents. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 27, 2008 5:55 PM
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Red,
Maybe you are more intellectual in Russian, in English it seems a bit of a stretch. A degree does not make a man intelligent. Having done business in Russia and some former enslaved republics, I understand how corrupt a system you have there and also know that a good PHD in history can be bought for the right amount of Rubles.Your arguments are as about as subtle as a gulag and just as biased. You think in terms of absolutes and by God none will dissuade you. As one poster guessed you seem a young fellow and full of himself with not much practicality gained from life to temper the dogma taught in your totalitarian environment.
Perhaps you are distressed and full of regret that your Soviet forefathers did not somehow kill every living German when they had the chance including the off spring of the solders who post on this site.Well if not for the Western army lined up on the Elbe, who knows.
No doubt each person who reads these posts has conversed with or been in the presence of at some time or another a truly intelligent and profound person who moved them by the sense and depth of their words and thoughts. But I do not believe that many have that feeling when reading your anti-German pro-Soviet rants.
It may be the western mind raised on the Aristotelian logic of "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" is just to foreign to a man raised in the country that locked up Solzhenitsyn and sentenced him to exile. As your NK once said. "there is a Stalinist in each of you,there is even a Stalinist in me. We must root out this evil."
I believe that as you point the racist finger at any who do not agree with your simplistic argument of "German bad, Russian good" you miss the clear point that in the area of obsessed Nationalism and hate you are second to none.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Sep 7, 2008 10:49 AM
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Red,
Maybe you are more intellectual in Russian, in English it seems a bit of a stretch. A degree does not make a man intelligent. Having done business in Russia and some former enslaved republics, I understand how corrupt a system you have there and also know that a good PHD in history can be bought for the right amount of Rubles.Your arguments are as about as subtle as a gulag and just as biased. You think in terms of absolutes and by God none will dissuade you. As one poster guessed you seem a young fellow and full of himself with not much practicality gained from life to temper the dogma taught in your totalitarian environment.
Perhaps you are distressed and full of regret that your Soviet forefathers did not somehow kill every living German when they had the chance including the off spring of the solders who post on this site.Well if not for the Western army lined up on the Elbe, who knows.
No doubt each person who reads these posts has conversed with or been in the presence of at some time or another a truly intelligent and profound person who moved them by the sense and depth of their words and thoughts. But I do not believe that many have that feeling when reading your anti-German pro-Soviet rants.
It may be the western mind raised on the Aristotelian logic of "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" is just to foreign to a man raised in the country that locked up Solzhenitsyn and sentenced him to exile. As your NK once said. "there is a Stalinist in each of you,there is even a Stalinist in me. We must root out this evil."
I believe that as you point the racist finger at any who do not agree with your simplistic argument of "German bad, Russian good" you miss the clear point that in the area of obsessed Nationalism and hate you are second to none.
To root out Evil is very good idea. Germans wasn't bad at western countries maybe because of that you still clamining that Germans were bad as Russians. I am sorry Soviets Russians were majority in USSR its means we can't say Russians. WW 2 in Europe was manly between Germany and USSR it means to get opinion what is bad or good we need to ask people from USSR. Because they lived under communists and Nazi. As majority people in ex USSR who tell you that Nazi were evil. Every family in USSR had some one killed during WW 2 as for Stalin killings is one in ten or hundreds. If we take maximum reliable statistics. Stalin killed around 20 millions but I think much less during 30 years. Is less then 700,000 per year on other hand Hitler 52 millions during ww 2. All losses from WW 2 goes to Hitler because he started war.Comparing this you can say that Hitler was the main killer during 20 centure. living in western Europe you can't say that you know the difference between Nazi and USSR. Comparing two is looks stupid and childish. It would be different World if wasn't Stalin. Whole Europe and Western Asia who belong to Germany and even Americans wouldn't risk to attacked Germany. Knowing USSR and Russia I am very sure that Soviets surrendered if wasn't Stalin in power. Plus industralization of USSR in 1930 goes to Stalin with out of it Soviets couldn't produced the best arms in huge numbers. Comparing evils you chose the less one. After Bush using phrase you can call anything evil. Soviets wasn't evil just only because the saved Europe from Hitler.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Sep 7, 2008 1:13 PM
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In Santa Catarina there is a huge german colony. are your relatives from there?
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