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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 2, 2008 4:38 PM
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We hold these truths to be self evident: RA may talk like and idiot, may sound like an idiot, but don't let that fool you, he really is an idiot.
with apologies to Irving "Groucho" Marx
You mean he really isn't idiot but if you mean opposite I wouldn't be upset. You have you point of view I have mine. Lets me tell you about me. I was born as you suspect in USSR in family of intellectuals. All of my grandparents as parents are PhD in History. I have huge library from childhood. All of them did research in Moscow arhives. I got PhD in History. I just don't like to talk to people who get their info from History channel. Comparing Stalin with Hitler is stupid. Stalin wasn't just killer as Hitler. USSR under Stalin get education, became advance country. Children were getting education free from 1922 up to present time. Stalin was main reason why Soviets won even in the begging war Soviets lost many people. Georgian man became one of the first liders in the world. The Soviet problem is many nation. If wasn't Stalin or just Russian kings people of Soviet Union wouldn't fight. In the WW 1 Russian just used Slavs as soldiers. It was as America racist country. Non Russians were serving in non combat units as blacks in USA. Woman in Soviet Union served as man. My grandpa isn't Russian was captain of marine. Under his command were Russian as non Russian and no one undermine his command. This was the main reason why Soviets won. Stalin wasn't Russian why people of Soviet Union never discrimate against race. Soviet union is Union of Slavs with Turkish speaking people. If Hitler could use one against each other he could win. But his stupid idea against Slavs as Turkish speaking people made him lose. Even many Ukranes turncoats or losers served under him still majority normal Soviet considered bad to serve him. United Soviet nation could win anyone this was Hitler mistake.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 2, 2008 7:07 PM
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Well you have me on American geography.
The only Neo-Nazis around this place seem to be American!!!
I just wonder if they have a big neo-Nazi university in the middle of America somewhere; lecturing the pupils upon perfidious albion, soviet atrocities and the 'holohaux' in preparation for the History Channal.com. Granted we produced Irving so I cannot completely take the moral high ground here but there does seem to be a remarkable number of your citizens who have slightly disturbing obsession with Das panzer faustobergruppen Mark XI etc etc..
Take for example this new gambler person who keeps clogging the place up with 'Germany is great' posts.
Wholly bizarre to me.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 3, 2008 11:57 AM
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We have our share of oddballs; this is what occasionally happens when you build a nation from the "wretched refuse yearning to breate free". For every guy like Gambler, we get 8 ordinary souls and 1 Einstein.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 3, 2008 11:59 AM
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Did someone type most of this for you? It is not your usual dime novel English. But, as always you miss the point and are singularly lacking in knowledge of the harmless Marxes.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 3, 2008 7:05 PM
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> Well you have me on American geography.
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> The only Neo-Nazis around this place seem to be
> American!!!
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> I just wonder if they have a big neo-Nazi university
> in the middle of America somewhere; lecturing the
> pupils upon perfidious albion, soviet
> atrocities and the 'holohaux' in preparation for the
> History Channal.com. Granted we produced Irving so I
> cannot completely take the moral high ground here but
> there does seem to be a remarkable number of your
> citizens who have slightly disturbing obsession with
> Das panzer faustobergruppen Mark XI etc etc..
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> Take for example this new gambler person who keeps
> clogging the place up with 'Germany is great' posts.
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>
> Wholly bizarre to me.
I don't remember seeing any of the American First Family wearing a Nazi uniform at a party (remember Prince Harry?) and then, again, you had the Duke of Windsor right smack in the middle of WWII...........that seems kind of bizarre to me.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 4, 2008 4:16 PM
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Dear OR,
Don't bang your head against Sean82uk; you'll only hurt yourself. With a little careful pursuit like the post VE Day School kid strafing allegations he will admit that Britain has its loonies too. Does the name Mosby mean anything in this discussion? There are racists in Britain too.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 7, 2008 3:10 PM
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>Does the name Mosby mean anything in this discussion?
Who was Mosby?
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 7, 2008 7:20 PM
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> >Does the name Mosby mean anything in this
> discussion?
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> Who was Mosby?
Sorry, Was it Mosely? BUF.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 9, 2008 4:09 PM
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Wasn?t Mosby the name of the fascist whale that roamed the seas harassing US shipping?
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 9, 2008 7:27 PM
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the same can be said about the red army. guess what Russia has a dirty and criminal past too. it can even be worst than the Germans if you consider the years of the USSR and the several atrocities committed by Russians. superman, well thats a nice way to describe what at the time was the most organized and effective army. oh yeah and about the stupid ideology the same can be said about communism. what about Stalin? Germans remember their past and the great majority understand it.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 10, 2008 8:33 AM
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We should all be careful not to "throw the baby out with the bath water". While there is much that was despicable about Nazi Germany, there is no reason to believe that it was 100% bad either. There are some accomplishments of the German people during the Nazi era that they should be rightfully proud of (particularly in the area of engineering).
I am an American citizen and I am very proud of my country. I also acknowledge that there are some parts of our history that I am ashamed of (slavery, Lincoln's suspension of some individual rights during the Civil War, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Jim Crow laws, etc.).
I also firmly believe that, while the goals of the Nazi's were dastardly, there were individual German soldiers who proudly served their country and we shouldn't take that away from them.
When I served in the military, I may not have agreed with my government's military actions or decisions, but I served proudly for the USA.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 10, 2008 9:49 AM
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> We should all be careful not to "throw the baby out
> with the bath water". While there is much that was
> despicable about Nazi Germany, there is no reason to
> believe that it was 100% bad either. There are some
> accomplishments of the German people during the Nazi
> era that they should be rightfully proud of
> (particularly in the area of engineering).
>
> I am an American citizen and I am very proud of my
> country. I also acknowledge that there are some
> parts of our history that I am ashamed of (slavery,
> Lincoln's suspension of some individual rights during
> the Civil War, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Jim
> Crow laws, etc.).
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> I also firmly believe that, while the goals of the
> Nazi's were dastardly, there were individual German
> soldiers who proudly served their country and we
> shouldn't take that away from them.
>
> When I served in the military, I may not have agreed
> with my government's military actions or decisions,
> but I served proudly for the USA.
Come on? They built autobahns. The only engineering achievements I can think of besides that is connected with the military and/or gas-chamber technology. The Nazis were the very antithesis of human achievement (hence why Einstein and many others fled).
Further, the Nazis were not just a deeply unpopular government committing bad decisions like a current democratic country; the Nazis were band of racial-ideological thugs. The only thing they added to human existence was an improvements in the art form of liquidating humanity. If you are an American and a serviceman as you say you are you should be thoroughly ashamed at eulogising these racist madmen.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 10, 2008 11:51 AM
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" I also firmly believe that, while the goals of the Nazi's were dastardly, there were individual German soldiers who proudly served their country and we shouldn't take that away from them. "
You know what, I am tired of this miserable excuse of a mitigation. In every war there are individuals who serve their country proudly. SFW. It doesn't make the countries they fought for or their causes any more just or worthy of sympathy.
The "Hector Syndrome" of glorifying the honorable fighter on the wrong side is nice for literature, but in the grand scheme, when talking about the Germans in WWII, it means that they were in the service of an empire which still stands as the epitome of an evil regime. So this greatly limits any pride one should have for them.
Wally Wood, famed cartoonist for various EC comics did a piece in a War story comic about Rommel. It was a piece that glorified his skill and flamboyant personality somewhat. But in the last panels were the zinger. Wood made references to the regime Rommel fought for by showing the brutality of those living under the Nazis. The message being that these were the people Rommel fought for. This kind of murderous brutality was something he was instrumental in carrying out, even if indirectly.
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If irony were strawberries we would all be having smoothies right now.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 10, 2008 6:17 PM
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soldiers follow orders thats it. i wonder what you people who criticize individual german soldiers would have done if you were in their shoes. you talk about being so right, but im sure all of you would have heil hitler under those circumstances. no one says that what they did was right, but all sides committed atrocities and that should be recognized.
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Re: Proud to be German or German Neo Nazi.
Aug 10, 2008 6:51 PM
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. I was born as you suspect in USSR in family of intellectuals. All of my grandparents as parents are PhD in History. I have huge library from childhood. All of them did research in Moscow arhives. I got PhD in History.
I can tell you have a Phd just by reading your mindless rants. Me I'm Albert Einstien today, yesterday I was Peter the Rabbit and I'm not sure what tomorrow will bring, maybe Elvis.
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