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Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 4, 2008 8:26 PM
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I always get curious what Polls and Finns think before taking Soviets territories. Do they really knows that Soviets would take back. Of cause taking western Ukraine and Karellia in 1920 th is different then taking it in 1930-1940. Why Polish and Finish government knowing that USSR became stronger didn't return land back. This is mistery for me. Maybe WW 2 wouldn't started from Poland maybe it never start. But Polish nationalists were bad if you think from Soviets point of view. Taking land from weak country is bad as attacking them.
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Aug 4, 2008 8:45 PM
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What are you saying?
Are you suggesting Poland and Finland took territory from the Former Soviet Union???????
If you cannot get someone to translate for you, then I suggest a crash course in English would be a really good idea.
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 4, 2008 8:59 PM
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What are you saying?
Are you suggesting Poland and Finland took territory from the Former Soviet Union???????
If you cannot get someone to translate for you, then I suggest a crash course in English would be a really good idea.
maybe I need some English but you need to learn History of WW 2 or World History in general. After reading your answer I became amazed what kind of simple facts you don't know. Before writing here please Google some facts and answer. Western Ukraine and Karelia was taking from Soviet Union when Soviets were weak around 1920. But none one even mention returning it before Soviet need to take it by force.
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 5, 2008 12:50 AM
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Red Army,
The Soviet Union guaranteed those territories to the countries that "took" them,in various treaties from 1920 to the mid 30's.And they were inhabited mainly by Poles and Finns anyway.Anyway you can't complain about Hitler taking back territories either by your argument.
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 5, 2008 7:14 AM
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The Soviet Union guaranteed those territories to the countries that "took" them,in various treaties from 1920 to the mid 30's.And they were inhabited mainly by Poles and Finns anyway.Anyway you can't complain about Hitler taking back territories either by your argument.
The Soviet Union was supper power as USA.In Western Ukraine majority was Polish it was Ukraine people. About Karellia you wring majority were Finns. I bet USA must return Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California to Mexico because majority were Mexicans. As all super powers had problems with smaller countries.
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 5, 2008 10:41 AM
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Despite your strange assumptions not any major part of Karelia was "taken" in any way from soviet union, but were part of the original independence borders of Finland. Later border disputes were officially settled by 1920, when Petsamo area was authorized to Finland and few areas occupied by Finns reclaimed by SU.
Now that we're in the topic, let's talk a minute about the destiny of the eastern Karelian areas which was a major issue Finland wanted to settle during the first years of independence. These areas populated by many minorities were eventually left within Soviet Union. Part of the peace signed with Finns was the promise to guarantee the authoritarian rights for these people. Finns had proposed that Karelian population be given free elections to choose which form of rule they would prefer in the future and very large demilitarized zone (and what were the official SU reasoning behind Winter War again, mind me...). Just before the last peace negotiations SU marched it's troops to these areas and announced that there was no need for any elections whatsoever. According to SU, the people of these areas had made their mind already. Systematic oppression and "rehabitalition" started soon after...
There was also major dispute with Sweden over Ahvenanmaa question during this very same time. This was settled politically and the island remained in Finnish hands. Why haven't the Swedes pushed aggressively to regain the areas that surely rightfully belong to them?
By this same logic nations that gained independence in the early 90's - at the time of Soviet weakness (former soviet states) must be also either amazingly stupid, brave, or both, since they must know that the inevitable soviet regaining of the land is coming and is only matter of a time...
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Aug 5, 2008 12:43 PM
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haha last time I suggested English lessons for our little red bear my post got deleted........
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 5, 2008 4:05 PM
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By this same logic nations that gained independence in the early 90's - at the time of Soviet weakness (former soviet states) must be also either amazingly stupid, brave, or both, since they must know that the inevitable soviet regaining of the land is coming and is only matter of a time...
I like you answer, you some logic. But you wrong in major. After Soviet Union in 1990 it was in constituation that every republic could chose where to be. Second in 1920 was war between Soviet union and Poland and Finland. After ww 2 all borders were final. After ww 1many countries left from choosing their borders. Soviet Union had long time border dispute between China and Russia Impire. Russia use maps fro.m 1880 were china was not strong. but Russia still super power if China attacked they would made stone age in China. The difference if you are not strong and using moment taking some land from stronger.
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 5, 2008 4:05 PM
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By this same logic nations that gained independence in the early 90's - at the time of Soviet weakness (former soviet states) must be also either amazingly stupid, brave, or both, since they must know that the inevitable soviet regaining of the land is coming and is only matter of a time...
I like you answer, you some logic. But you wrong in major. After Soviet Union in 1990 it was in constituation that every republic could chose where to be. Second in 1920 was war between Soviet union and Poland and Finland. After ww 2 all borders were final. After ww 1many countries left from choosing their borders. Soviet Union had long time border dispute between China and Russia Impire. Russia use maps fro.m 1880 were china was not strong. but Russia still super power if China attacked they would made stone age in China. The difference if you are not strong and using moment taking some land from stronger.
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 6, 2008 1:48 PM
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Do you think people like this really exist in russia? if yes, so i start getting frightened (idiots and atomic bombs are a bad mixture).
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Re: Polish and Finns stupiadity.
Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM
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> The Soviet Union guaranteed those territories to the
> countries that "took" them,in various treaties from
> 1920 to the mid 30's.And they were inhabited mainly
> by Poles and Finns anyway.Anyway you can't complain
> about Hitler taking back territories either by your
> argument.
> The Soviet Union was supper power as USA.In Western
> Ukraine majority was Polish it was Ukraine people.
> About Karellia you wring majority were Finns. I bet
> USA must return Texas, Arizona, New Mexico,
> California to Mexico because majority were Mexicans.
> As all super powers had problems with smaller
> countries.
Your ignorance of American History is showing again. Texas was freed from Mexico by rebels who founded Texas as independent republic. Later, the Texans asked for annexation to the USA. The War with Mexico in 1846 through 1848 was a war of perceived equals not a super power beating up a smaller nation. Some European commentators made the same noises that would be later made about the US war with Spain in 1898; that the US would lose as the Mexicans and later Spaniards are one people and not a collection of immigrants like the US. Again you use the wrong data to support your point.
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