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Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 28, 2009 3:28 AM
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Hi all,
We all know what Neo-Nazi's and skinheads are and what they represent. My question is, when did the "Skin Head" hairstyle and the Fashion trend of Combat Boots, Suspenders, White T-shirt and Camouflage pants become to represent Nazism?
I mean I don't recall seeing an SS from a Historical Movie footage of wearing the same outfit. I mean if you are a Nazi purist...go to their Historical Archive and do some research....tsk, tsk. I think they just came up with this fashion sense on their own. Not to mention I don't think these people have college dregrees or ever written a Thesis.
I know this question might deviate from the normal World War 2 discussions we have here fellas...but I am sick and tired of all these Neo Nazi's rallys in Washington D.C. causing up controversy being showed in the news. I mean why can't they hold their rally in Detroit or Compton? Because their speech is protected by the first amendment and there is safety in numbers knowing that there would be Police to put everybody in check.
Just my 2 Cents,
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 28, 2009 7:26 AM
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It isn't their costume, which by the way, migrated from the British Isle. It is their white supremacist thinking that is the same as the nazis. What is weird is that the costume they wear not only started out in the British Isle, it was actually used by young, blue collar types who weren't racist. It migrated to the USA and was adopted by certain (but not all) white supremacist factions.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 28, 2009 3:58 PM
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We all know what Neo-Nazi's and skinheads are and
what they represent. My question is, when did the
"Skin Head" hairstyle and the Fashion trend of Combat
Boots, Suspenders, White T-shirt and Camouflage pants become to represent Nazism?
Dear Gino,
The volks you are writing about don't really care to be authentic; they want to be "bad" and wouldn't really try to look the part;that would take discipline and commitment. The "skins' are just the spiritual descendants of the Beer Hall Putsch crowd while being slack like most Gen "X"ers.
TH
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 28, 2009 11:35 PM
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Like NeoConfedererates the only similarity is a historic flag and racial hate.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 29, 2009 4:58 PM
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Only ignorant bigots assume the Confederate flag is about racial hate. Sadly, the flag that flew over the country for a hundred years of slavery and from the stern of slave ships was the stars and stripes, not the stars and bars. It's easy for todays libs to blame the Confederate flag for slavery and intolerence but radicals and anarchists, from Bill Ayers to Van Jones wear business suits to tie dyes and they often wrap themselves in the American Flag.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 29, 2009 7:01 PM
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What is about American white supreacists that they want to borrow their styles and practices from Great Britain?
THE KU KLUX CLAN'S symbol of the fiery cross was borrowed directly from the Scottish Clans practice of summoning Clansmen to war by sending out a fiery cross dipped in goat's blood a practice carried on right up to 1746..
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 29, 2009 11:35 PM
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>>>>Only ignorant bigots assume the Confederate flag is about racial hate. Sadly, the flag that flew over the country for a hundred years of slavery and from the stern of slave ships was the stars and stripes, not the stars and bars. It's easy for todays libs to blame the Confederate flag for slavery and intolerence but radicals and anarchists, from Bill Ayers to Van Jones wear business suits to tie dyes and they often wrap themselves in the American Flag. <<<<
It was the Stars and Stripes that waved over the heads of the Union Soldiers that ended slavery and it was the Confederate flag that waved over the heads of the soldiers who fought to keep slavery going.
Good thing Old Glory won out.
And, by the way, far more slave ships flew the Union Jack and the Portugese flags than the Stars and Stripes.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 12:19 AM
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> And, by the way, far more slave ships flew the Union
> Jack and the Portugese flags than the Stars and
> Stripes.
Correct but you left out the fact that the Royal Navy, carrying the Union Jack, was the main bulwark against slave-trading post-1807 (as was British diplomacy post-Waterloo); a fact even acknowledged by Steven Spielberg. Also, between 1833 and 1865 slavery was banned in the British Empire for a period it persisted in the United States of America; why did American-slaves head for Canada one wonders?
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 9:35 AM
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" Good thing Old Glory won out. "
Y E S.., life's SO much better with the federal government involved in our lives to the point of telling us not only what to do.., but what to think.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 9:45 AM
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sean
When did Steven Spielberg become a historian?
Not debating the fact's just the source....He is a movie maker;
Close Encounters, Superman, Star Wars and Indian Jones does not make one a historical authority.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 12:22 PM
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I see more anti-Briish drivel being ranted by Buckshovel so let him put this in his pipe and smoke it.
THe vast majority of Freemasons in the USA follow THE SCOTTISH RITE OF FREEMASONARY and Freemasons are deidicated to international brotherhood and Fraternity.That's why in 1910 ,when white Texan rednecks(ie Buckshovels bigoted Texas ancestors) would have lynched him Galveston, Texas born Afro-American world heavyweght champion Jack Johnson was initiated into a Scottish Freemason lodge in Dundee, Scotland something the virulent racists (the vast majority of the Texan population) would never have done for their fellow Texan, Jack Johnson..
Incidentally , many years ago when I taught history to a class of Adult students one of them was a leading Freemason in an Edinburgh Lodge and he told me that at the naval battle of Jutland on May 31 1916 German sailors who made the Fremason's international distress signal while in the water were picked up first by British mariner Freemasons who gave them preferential rescue treatment. PS Acoerding to Amnesty International blood crazy Texas executes man and boys who are mentally subnorma-who would be protected in any other civilsed state where the law-except in Texas-protects the mentally vulnerablel and Buckshovel and his Texan kind have the gall to try to lecture we Brits on inhumanity!!!PS Hitler and the Nazis persecuted Freemasons.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 12:39 PM
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> sean
> When did Steven Spielberg become a historian?
> Not debating the fact's just the source....He is a
> movie maker;
> Close Encounters, Superman, Star Wars and Indian
> Jones does not make one a historical authority.
Amistad - the movie obviously in question - is based upon a true-story, and, for the purposes of this discussion, highlights, at least, the salient features of the Royal Navy's war-on-slavery fairely accurately. Despite that, I actually agree with you: I wouldn't normally cite examples of popular culture to support history but consider the minds we are dealing with here. A Hollywood picture, albeit of a-more serious nature, by America's foremost filmmaker, no doubt will have more resonance for Sam Spade and his chum than the far more purposeful, history book. The show Band of Brothers after all is obviously where he has obtained the majority of his World War Two education.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 1:32 PM
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Does that make it even? 100 years as opposed to 4 years? I imagine if you questioned the poor kids who fought and died under the stars and bars they would have told you that they were fighting yankee aggression. If you asked the yankees, some of the Irish probably would have told you that they got fifty bucks to take the place of the son of a retired slave ship owner in Boston. The rest would probably give you a blank stare. The things Grant did to innocent southerners would have had a modern general tried for war crimes.
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Re: Forgive me for asking this, when did skinheads have a correlation with Nazi
Oct 30, 2009 7:39 PM
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Um, yes actually it is.
The 14th Amendment coming after the Civil War keeps states from subverting basic human liberties.
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