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Re: Black Troops in Combat
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Jan 22, 2009 12:40 PM Reply Report Abuse
Dear Big K,
Nice positive spin on the question. Let's hear it for the 99th Pursuit Squadron.
TH
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
Feb 12, 2009 4:06 PM
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Thanks. They were 'Never" used in combat? Riiiiggghhhttt.
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
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Jan 22, 2009 1:09 PM Reply Report Abuse
Dear Big K,
Here he goes again, forgetting that there was ethnic cleansing under Stalin which made American racism; as wrong and bad as it was, seem weak by comparison. What is this compulsion to apply today's thinking to the people of the past? It is somewhat unfair to hold them to our standards.
TH
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Registered: 6/11/04 (33 of 38) Re: Black combat troops in WWII
Jan 22, 2009 1:57 PM Edit Reply Report Abuse
It would seem that he can only try to use the past to justify his views. Regardless if history proves him wrong. None of his statements hold water. Blacks have been involved in combat almost from the beginning of the European presence in the Americas. And all he has to do is ask about this in in the American Revolution,Civil War,Indian Wars,WWI,Korean War,Vietnam War and Iraq boards and he will get examples of them. Personally I don't care what he thinks. The facts prove him wrong. But I do feel that the acomplishments of the African-American soldier should be acknowledged.
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
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Jan 22, 2009 2:53 PM Edit Reply Report Abuse
I forgot to add to those who poof threads. I have saved the posts here so far,well not the one from a certain poster as it doesn't apply, so as to repost if this thread is deleted.
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
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Jan 27, 2009 3:34 PM Reply Report Abuse
Although somewhat related, was anyone as disappointed in The Miracle at St. Anna as I was?
There has been scuttlebutt about making a film portraying the 761 Tank Battalion for years. The planned title. E.R.N. (Eleanor Roosevelt's N----rs). At one point Stanley Kramer signed on to direct and produce it. But it is languishing in production hell.
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Jan 27, 2009 3:57 PM Edit Reply Report Abuse
I think alot of people were disappointed. It went out of the public eye pretty quickly.
And the 761st,
Actor Morgan Freeman and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are co-producing a new movie about the 761st, based on Jabbar?s and co-writer Anthony Walton's 2004 book, Brothers in Arms. On December 15, 2006, Freeman discussed the film and working with Will Smith, and possibly Denzel Washington, on it in the near future.[5]
I haven't seen much else.
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
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Registered: 9/19/99 (23 of 30) Black US generals commanding white troops in WW2
Jan 23, 2009 7:08 PM Reply Report Abuse
Black, Frederick Harry, Brigadier-General
(1894 ? 1986)
1942 - 1943 Commanding Officer Artillery 26th Division
1943 - 1945 Commanding Officer Artillery 99th Division
1945 - 1946 Commandant Infantry Replacement Training Center Camp Blanding
Black, Garland Cuzorte, Brigadier-General
(1894 ? 1951)
1942 Chief Signal Officer 2nd Army
1942 - 1943 Ground Signal Officer Army War College
1943 - 1944 Chief Signal Officer Army Ground Forces
1944 Chief Signal Officer 1st Army Group
1944 - 1945 Chief Signal Officer 12th Army Group, France-Germany
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
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Jan 23, 2009 8:27 PM Reply Report Abuse
Another online resource on this topic:
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/11-4/index.htm
Cheers
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
Feb 12, 2009 4:10 PM
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Another Black WWII General
Benjamin O. Davis, Sr. has the distinction of being the first black general in the American military. He was born in Washington, D.C. on July 1, 1877, into a middle class family and dedicated his life to the military. He entered the Spanish American War as a temporary first lieutenant of the 8th United States Volunteer Infantry. After the war he enlisted as a private with the 10th Cavalry (Buffalo Soldiers) and rose to the rank of sergeant major. He then was commissioned a second lieutenant in 1901 and over the next thirty years received promotions to the rank of brigadier general in 1941.
In his fifty year military career, Davis served as an officer with the 10th Cavalry, Adjutant, Professor of Military Science at Wilberforce University in Ohio and Tuskegee Institute (University), Military Attaché to Monrovia, Liberia, Supply Officer, Commanding Officer, Brigade Commander, Advisor on N@gro Problems, and Assistant to the Inspector General in Washington, D.C. Benjamin Davis gained a reputation as a man of determination and diplomacy. His quiet resolve and competence overcame the prejudice and segregation of military life before its integration during the Korean War. He retired on July 14, 1948, died on November 26, 1970, and was interred in Arlington National Cemetery. He also was the father of Lieutenant General Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., the second African American to gain the rank of general.
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=aah/davis-sr-benjamin-o-1877-1970
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Re: Black Troops in Combat
Feb 12, 2009 4:10 PM
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A CHRONOLOGY OF
AFRICAN AMERICAN MILITARY SERVICE
From WWI through WWII
http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/integrate/CHRON3.html
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Feb 12, 2009 4:11 PM
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"One example was the record established by the five Black soldiers who comprised the Fifth Chemical Company. Their shooting speed was unmatched. The group could fire 20 large mortar rounds in 32 seconds, something White soldiers had yet to accomplish. another example was the record-breaking 15th Air Force Service Command. a Black battalion that installed and maintained 2,300 miles of open wire, 500 miles of field wire and 100 miles of cable in their first four months in Italy. Then there were there the 10,000 Black troops who constructed the 1,044-mile Ledo Road, which connected China with India and proved vital to U.S. war efforts. Operating in unfriendly territory, where they came under constant fire by] the Japanese and had to contend with pounding rains, disease and attack by wild animals, the Black soldiers completed the road in 25 months. There was literally a fallen soldier's grave for each mile of road."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_/ai_17362103
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In the Battle of the Bulge, Blacks finally received a call to arms. As the Ardennes counteroffensive took its toll on manpower, Lieutenant General John C. H. Lee suggested that Black troops be allowed to serve in combat. In only the first week of battle, 50,000 Americans were killed or wounded. In the month of December, the U.S. lost 125,000 to the fighting and cold weather. Eisenhower agreed, and in late December, circulars went out for Black volunteers. The Blacks were deployed in platoons, and proved themselves to the whites in the units they joined. A survey of White company officers and platoon sergeants showed that 84 percent of the officers and 81 percent of the sergeants believed that the Blacks served ?very well.? (Nalty, p. 178) Even General George S. Patton, Jr., praised the Black soldiers. The 761st Tank Battalion had joined the 26th Infantry Division under Patton?s Third Army. The 26th had been bogged down at Metz, France, and needed
additional support to push ahead. The 761st helped the 26th Infantry and Ninth Air Force surround and capture Metz. It also helped push the retreating 13th SS Panzer Division back into Germany after its long assault in Bastogne. The 761st joined the 103rd Infantry in Alsace-Lorraine in March of 1944 and knocked out Siegfried Line defenses at Reisdorf. The ?C? Company from the 761st continued this push past the Siegfried Line, destroying two anti-tank guns, nine machine gun nests and twenty-four pillboxes, killing 265 Germans and capturing 1,450. Two platoons of the 761st were responsible for the capture of Hermann Göring?s castle as well. Göring was the second in command behind Hitler, and the commander-in-chief of the Luftwaffe, the German air force. This unit then spearheaded the assault on Regensburg, and shortly thereafter received the order to continue toward the Enns River in Austria. On May 4th the 761st reached Steyr, Austria, and two days
later met the First Ukrainian Front under Marshal Ivan Konev. This unit also captured 106,926 prisoners and liberated the Gunskirchen concentration camp. On July 15, 2002, The Holocaust Center of Northern California honored the 761st US Tank Battalion and the Japanese American 522nd Field Artillery Battalion for liberating hundreds of Jews from this concentration camp. (Unlikely Liberators)
http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/historic/articles/blacksMilitary/BlacksMilitaryWW2.htm
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. But thanks to prior thought I saved it 
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