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Completely agree with you, the winner of Trafalgar is the greatest.:D
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Nelson for me too. There are some runner ups in the age of sail...Cochrane for example. Who else but Nelson would have sent ships INSHORE of an anchored squadron?And at night to boot. It takes nads to swing a musket at a polar bear.
It's tougher to say later on. Luce of HMS Glasgow was first rate in WW1. Phillip Vain as a Tin Can leader was a bad ass. My hat goes to ABC Cunningham. In my opinion he was Britain's greatest fighting Admiral of the twentieth century. Sherbrooke of HMS Onslow fought off Hipper in the Barents Sea with half his face missing and his eyeball hanging from the nerve. Destryer and Sub skippers were often outstanding.
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It is obvious that Nelson although a fop was by far the most outstanding admiral. His strategy at the Battle of Trafalgar was so innovating for his time as to put him way above others then and now.And that was only one of his great achivements.
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Sir Francis Drake,
He helped save England from the Spanish Armada.
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The question is who do you think was the greatest captain.Nelson takes the prize easily as the greatest admiral.
My first choice for captain would be Drake. I did have to pause for a moment after reading the post on Cook.His voyages were certainly more important than Drake's and demanded outstanding skill. Still, I think as a captain, on his circumnavigation Drake had to deal with a smaller ship,more primitive equipment and generally less support from his officers. Besides, I always thought the circumnavigation was one of the great true life adventure stories of all time. Always thought Hollywood missed out on that one. Of course I guess Drake is just a little too politicaly incorrect these days.
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"He [Captain Cook] returned to England in 1775 and was promoted to Captain." (See above)
Nevertheless, Sir Francis Drake, navigator and privateer, is one of the greatest English sea-captains of all time. Revered as a hero in the fight against the Armada and despised as an upstart by the old nobility, Drake epitomizes the self-made Elizabethan privateer, rapacious in the hunt for treasure (especially Spanish treasure) but daring and visionary in exploration. Drake and his crew are remembered as the first Englishmen to circumnavigate the globe, claiming a portion of California for Elizabeth along the way. His attack on Cadiz and his devastating raids on the Spanish Main earned him the fear and the grudging respect of the Spaniards, who call him El Draque, "The Dragon". Drake's exploits are the distant inspiration for the adventures of Captain Geoffrey Thorpe (Errol Flynn) in Michael Curtiz's film The Sea-Hawk, which has nothing but the title in common with the Rafael Sabatini novel of the same name.
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Gary,
I was not using the "captain" comment to throw Cook out of the running. I was trying to distinguish between the talents shown in the handling of a single ship as opposed to the handling of a fleet in battle by an admiral.
I was trying to explain why I was choosing Drake over Nelson who obviously was also a great captain before rising to higher command. I just think Drake had the tougher challenges as the master of a single vessle.
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I think that Drake was a great Naval Captain in the best sense of the word. However, he only dispersed the Spanish Armada. It was in fact destroyed by the winds and tides surrounding Britain as it tried to return to Spain via the North sea and the Atlantic. Nelson managed a fleet and by his personal courage and innovative tactical leadership in relatively light winds at Trafalgar smashed the joint Franch and Spanish fleets. It was this action together with Waterloo that established over a century of World Peace.
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Sir Francis Drake takes my vote.
He was far outnumbered and faced an unbelievable challenge/mission to defeat the Spanish Armada(Warrior). He was an able pirate(Bad Guy). He upset Spain. The first to circumnavigate the world with a primitive vessel(An Explorer). He, along with the other British Commanders, helped establish the British as the most powerful navy in his time. A reputation that was kept with Admiral Nelson. I believe Captain Cook was able but I put him in the category of explorer. I would not say that Nelson was an explorer. So Sir Drake takes my vote. He accomplish so much in his life time as both warrior, explorer, and pirate.
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Nov 24, 2005 7:39 PM
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I belive that Nelson was the greatest sea captain in the history of the Royal Navy. Eventhough he died at Trafalgar his tactics were radical yet superior to the French fleet admiral. Because he won at Trafalgar the threat of a French invasion was postponed indefinitly. Years later at Waterloo the British troops played a vital role in stopping Napoleon.
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Dec 10, 2005 11:02 AM
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> Because he won at Trafalgar
> the threat of a French invasion was postponed
> indefinitly. Years later at Waterloo the British
> troops played a vital role in stopping Napoleon.
Well, actually La Grande Armee was already headed to Bavaria when Trafalgar took place. Therefore this isn't really true. While Nelson had the gumption to send his ships into the fight, there was really going to be little doubt as to who won at Trafalgar. Both sides knew it going in. Both allied fleets had been bottled up, and lacked experienced crews and captains to match the Brits (bottled up in port for years, most officers became emigres, etc), despite probably having slightly better ships. (There was another inident a couple years later where a small British squadron attacked a much larger Franco-Spanish squadron including 80 gun French ships and two Spanish 112 gun ships. The allies ran, but one British 74 caught up, the two Spanish ships fired on each other in a panic, blew themselves up, and the 80 was captured I think) The only chance the allies had was to avoid Nelson and send him off on a wild goose chase someplace. If the French and Spanish had the same opportunity to train their crews and give them experience, then we could argue whether Nelson's tactics were as effective. Likely if he tried the same thing vs. an opponent with equally trained and skilled crews, he'd have gotten smacked around.
However, the question was still "greatest captain."
Nelson (and likely many others) could actually be nominated on this basis too, as at the Battle of St. Vincent (I think) he (in a frigate) discovered the Spanish fleet, sailed through it in the middle of the night to find the British fleet, then took command of a 74 gun Ship of the Line, which he then used to attack three Spanish ships including an 84, a 112, and the 130+ gun Santissima Trinidad... Nelson first captured the 84, then his crew crossed the deck to the other side and attacked the 112.
This is not a weak willed guy.
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