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May 5, 2004 12:06 PM
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Some of the things I have read on this site are so ignorant. If you watch the news you will notice that they do not display what happens to a lot of American soldiers that are fighting for us right now. But you think it's alright for them to show pictures or videos of what happens to the Iraqi soldiers.
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May 5, 2004 3:10 PM
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Helloooo??
Because WE are supposed to be the Good Guys remember???
You EXPECT the "Bad Guys" to do those kinds of things, and you don't show them because that would make them more powerful...
Any and ALL soldiers envolved in something so Un-American as what we see in those photos should be court-martialed. End of...
There are times, when all a Gentleman has is his honor...
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May 6, 2004 5:02 AM
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Unamerican? I haven't seen the pictures or videos in question but if humiliation is the best word to describe what they were doing to the Iraqi soldiers then it is the MOST american thing they could have been doing!
Go to any high school, junior high school, community college, or even 4-year college... what do young americans do to each other? They laugh and joke around with each other trying to "humiliate" their fellow students for a laugh. Granted, most of it is in fun, but many times it is out of pure venal cruelty.
Americans can be cruel, petty, and very mean in general when they want to. The soldiers in Iraq already don't want to be there. The whole country of Iraq seems to be teeming with anti-US militia. As long as no one was murdered, then nothing was done wrong!
Why is it we as Americans have to find some way to embarrass ourselves every few years in front of the whole world? A few years ago it was that idiot Clinton fornicating and sleeping with any intern with two legs and two jugs and then lying about it before a grand jury. Isn't purgery before a grand jury felony? And now, while we're fighting a war in Iraq to give those people the freedom they've been denied for years we have to get ultra politically correct and punish our soldiers for calling the captured Iraqi soldiers bad names?
Please. The media in the US needs to go hide in their news rooms because they don't do any good. All they do is get in the way and cause nothing but trouble because they can't just say that "the troops are doing well!" because that's not what "Americans" want to hear. They want to know what soldier tripped on his shoe, what soldiers did something wrong. Soldiers doing a good job aren't rewarded with attention, they're overlooked as "goodie two shoes" by the media. It just makes me sick.
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May 6, 2004 9:49 AM
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While it is certainly true that Americans can be cruel and petty, that doesn't mean we should be so. One would also hope that members of the military would have matured beyond their high school days and behave in a professional manner, particularly when their duties involve the welfare of others (including and perhaps especially when those others are prisoners of war).
If the media had not shown us the images of abuse of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of our own people, what assurance can you and I have, as members of the civilian sector, that justice was being served and human rights were being observed? Certainly, some of the detainees are bona fide terrorists intent on disrupting our way of life, but I maintain that some of them are simply guilty of the crime of following the orders of a superior. Either way, the detainees still have certain rights to humane and decent treatment at the hands of their captors.
The argument that "...they're doing it to our soldiers, so why not do it back?" doesn't hold water -- the fact they did it first doesn't make it right for us to return the favor. Certain lines should not be crossed, ever.
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May 7, 2004 4:59 AM
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<<Helloooo??
Because WE are supposed to be the Good Guys remember???>> Oh Yeah! So tell me pal where all these years of being the good guys has gotten us? Was Sept 11th 2001 a payoff for being the good guys? If it was then maybe we need to start being the bad guys!!
"Oh Oh my goodness what will the rest of the world think of us Oh me Oh my" WHO CARES? Besides WHO IS the rest of the world? France? Lesotho? Outer Mongolia? Nepal? Uganda? Yemen? United Arab Emirates? Saudi Arabia? Iran?
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Re: terrorist humiliation not enough
May 7, 2004 6:38 PM
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The good guys according to WHOM? Us.
THEY already think we're evil. Their treatment of our soldiers and civilians they capture is evidence of that.
So, in the end, this is about making us FEEL better about ourselves. Well, that's not going to win any wars. These people only believe one thing - that's the TERMINATION of our existence. Its not even about Iraq, or the middle east, its about our right to exist.
The only thing that will make me feel better is when these rats believe that we're going to dish out more damage to them than they can EVER inflict on us.
This is NOT about criminal behavior where punishment should "fit the crime", but about total, undeniable dominance so that they know that their existences is only at our whim. That's how they think, that's how they treat us, that's what they get in return.
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May 7, 2004 7:53 PM
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Hey i couldn't possibly agree with you more. I'm sure there are hundreds maybe even thousands of P.O.W.'s that have been humiliated and haven't spoken up. The fact of the matter is that people don't seem to understand that this happens all the time and besides the fact that it may ruin dignity, nobody cares about it more than when the U.S.A. does something out of line. Many countries look to us for guidance, so if we do something bad, they point it out and ride us, then the government gets involved just to shut them up. I honestly don't care anymore. We have said our "deepest" apologies yet we keep getting asked for more...it's over! The bottom line is people make mistakes and people move on...case closed!
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May 7, 2004 9:05 PM
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ok first of all, yes we're embarrassing the U.S., but one of the reasons that we're fighting is to stop the torturing. What do we go over there and do? We torture. That is the point of the photos.
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May 8, 2004 5:35 PM
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Hey I'm on a new user name, it's little marine 2 instead of little marine 1, I forgot my old password but anyway I really appreciate your agreeing with me. It's just so irritating to see that so many people in this country don't support their soldiers. I mean their fighting for ALL OF US, and if they make one little mistake or do something people don't agree with than they start to complain. There are suicide bombers and Iraqi soldiers blowing up busses with preschoolers on them. But these people are going to complain about us humiliating some enemy soldiers. People just need to look at the facts before they open their mouths. hope to hear from you soon. AJ
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May 9, 2004 7:25 AM
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what about the humiliation that our soliders endure everyday over there. what about how they drag our soliders through their cities or how about how they drive around their cities with dead people in the trunks of their cars. are we forgetting all that has happened to the americans. I'm proud to be an american. And if they endure some humiliation then so be it. What about 9/11 all the innocent men,women and especially children who died for our country. Where is the dignity in that and they didn't even ask for it. From our understanding the iraqi's do that kind of things over in iraq everyday so that should not be anything new to them. any pictures without research form bad opinoins what they did was wrong but they should have investigated before informing the public on this matter. my son has seen enough over there i don't want my daughter to have to see this garbage on the news. I have gone so far as not to watch the news as much anymore cause it makes me sick to see such things.
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May 9, 2004 7:53 AM
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Clear to me, the liberal media cares more on Rumsfield and Bush bashing then
supporting our troop and war effort. Did you bashers have your head in the sand during 9/11.
How would you feel if some terrorist came to your town. Now you could blame the Bush administration for not doing enough. Would you be angry at the terrorist? I doubt it would even cross your mind.
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May 9, 2004 8:08 AM
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Thank you to all of the mothers of soldiers, past and present. And yes to all of you ignorant people, try and remember who the enemy is. Save your outrage for them. Sounds simple to me, we must defeat terrorism, hate and murder. Did you forget about the murdering of over 300,000 people during Saddams years of power. Would you have waited a few more years like our Coward and chief Bill Clinton. Maybe bill was just too busy with Monica instead of making lame promices on fighting Terrorism. I didn't forget. Thanks God for President George Bush, he's packing a pair the Bill never had.
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If the terrorists came to my town...
May 9, 2004 12:28 PM
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...If the terrorists came to my town, I wouldn't have lied to the American people and to our armed forces personnel about WMD's in Iraq. I would have invaded the country where the bulk of the terrorists originated. I would not have alienated our numerous allies around the world by supporting such a misguided, ludicrous war as this.
Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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May 16, 2004 4:43 PM
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granted that we are supposed to be the good guys that does not mean we are going to do things right all of the time. If you care so much about our ruthless enemy then why don't you move to Iraq. I'm sick of people giving all of this sympathy to our enemy who blow up buses full of preschool children, and who make themselves into human bombs just to kill an American soldier. Those men are fighting for us to be free and to stop terrorism and YOU are NOT supporting them. If you don't support your soldiers then apparently you don't know what you have in the land of the free.
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May 16, 2004 4:51 PM
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I told another person the same thing. People like you need to stop giving all of this sympathy to our enemy who blows up buses full of preschool children. You actually feel bad for these people. They make themselves into human bombs just to kill one American. But oh, lets cry because they were embarassed on T.V. That's a MUCH lighter punishment then they deserve. Apparently your not supporting our troops very much. You need to be supporting them not fighting against them. These men have lost friends to these Iraqi's and they had some anger to release, tell me that you wouldn't want revenge as well. Why don't you come on our side.
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