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Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 1, 2009 2:30 AM
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Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
I pulled this link up on the subject which is of nonscientific opinion, but is a fun read none the less. > http://blackholeformulas.com/files/Introduction.html Do not let all the math fool you, as it is of quackery opinion. It's of the utmost scientific opinion that the Universe is not turning. Basically it has allot of truth mixed in with falsehoods. However it's a great mind trip I think.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 1, 2009 8:17 AM
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I was thinking that if to true knowledge was staring you in the face you might not even remember it. The truth may only be available for the strong willed. Which gets me thinking about aliens...... have any thoughts
Why do some people see aliens?
Why has the goverment never shown aliens?
If they come to visit, who are they visiting?
If they exist have they ever helped us? Wesure can use the help! 
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 1, 2009 8:56 AM
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Hey, SC/FT, what's up? I see you made it over here finally.
How is your kit plane coming along BTW?
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 1, 2009 9:20 AM
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Hey Bobe interesting subject.Do you have any knowledge
of dark energy and dark matter? An unseen energy which
holds everything together in space?
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 1, 2009 9:55 AM
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> Hey, SC/FT, what's up? I see you made it over here
> finally.
>
> How is your kit plane coming along BTW?
HI I figured I might put my mind to work on some more mysteries. I am just waiting for the correct people to read the right questions. Maybe I can drag the answers out of someone. What do you think?
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 2, 2009 3:23 AM
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> I was thinking that if to true knowledge was staring
> you in the face you might not even remember it. The
> truth may only be available for the strong willed.
> Which gets me thinking about aliens...... have any
> thoughts
Not at the moment, but you came to the right place for plenty of thoughts.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 2, 2009 3:26 AM
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> > Hey, SC/FT, what's up? I see you made it over
> here
> > finally.
> >
> > How is your kit plane coming along BTW?
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> HI I figured I might put my mind to work on some more
> mysteries. I am just waiting for the correct people
> to read the right questions. Maybe I can drag the
> answers out of someone. What do you think?
The guy you may want to talk to about your theories is Greatbear. I have not seen him around here lately, but he would be your man, I think.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 2, 2009 3:28 AM
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> Hey Bobe interesting subject.Do you have any
> knowledge
> of dark energy and dark matter? An unseen energy
> which
> holds everything together in space?
No way- way out of my league- like what I posted to FT, Greatbear is the man for that stuff.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it mov
Nov 2, 2009 9:07 AM
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There is a lot of great information out there. What do you want to know?
> Hey Bobe interesting subject.Do you have any
> knowledge
> of dark energy and dark matter? An unseen energy
> which
> holds everything together in space?
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it mov
Nov 5, 2009 3:24 AM
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> There is a lot of great information out there. What
> do you want to know?
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> > Hey Bobe interesting subject.Do you have any
> > knowledge
> > of dark energy and dark matter? An unseen
> energy
> > which
> > holds everything together in space?
I would like to know, YaBa, if you think the Universe is spinning, or turning rather as the math attempts to theorize in the link that I have provided in my open? If not then why not? What is the math behind disproving the Universe is not turning- spinning- rotating whatever?
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it mov
Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM
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what the matter bob, get tired of being ignored on the appropriate board for this subject so you brought it over here? lol. seriously though, we haven't the slightest idea of the big picture, nothing but guesses, still too early in humanity to be asking this question.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it mov
Nov 5, 2009 10:27 AM
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> what the matter bob, get tired of being ignored on
> the appropriate board for this subject so you brought
> it over here? lol. seriously though, we haven't the
> slightest idea of the big picture, nothing but
> guesses, still too early in humanity to be asking
> this question.
I did have it up as a post in a thread for about 45 minutes over on "The Universe" site then I pulled it down. Did you read it over there, or something? You were probably the only one if you did. I think it ties in with the idea of, "Could there be aliens?" as it has to do with physics of the Universe, and aliens would have to understand the subject in order to travel through it to get to here from where ever they would be from. Maybe that's a stretch, but I think it's enough to make it an appropriate thread post here.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it mov
Nov 5, 2009 2:01 PM
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Bob, I think the hard part about asking if the Universe is spinning is first answering: a) what shape is the Universe? and b) what definines spinning?
A widely accepted theory right now is that the Universe is flat. See that link to understand the WMAP experiment and how it was determined to be flat in nature. Our minds have a hard time seeing the Universe as flat because it seems to be infinite in all directions. I'll be honest, it takes a few years of graduate school in Physics before you can get your head wrapped around concepts like this, pun intended.
Spinning. This is a very important theory that has been around for about a hundred years. With everything "spinning" in the Universe, why wouldn't the whole Universe be spinning? Well, spin is relative. The Universe is it, it's "everything", it is infinite and it's complete. So, what would it spin about? Relative to what is the Universe spinning? Is some part of the Universe spinning relative to itself? If it's spinning like a sphere or circle then it would have a center (an axis to spin about), but we know the Universe has no "center". These are huge questions, that crack open the books on the nature of the Universe.
All this can be read through exactly such dialogue that took place here in 2008.
I think the sentiment that the Universe is not spinning, because of the problems mentioned.
An excellent entry is by George Jones that goes like: Friedmann-Robertson-Walker universes don't have spin, but it is possible to have universes that have non-zero vorticity tensors. Godel came up with a spinning universe model more than fifty years ago. His model: has closed timelike curves; has no observational basis.
Great questions. This study reminds us how little we know about our Universe and yet how much we know just based on observations and calculations.
> > There is a lot of great information out there.
> What
> > do you want to know?
> >
> > > Hey Bobe interesting subject.Do you have
> any
> > > knowledge
> > > of dark energy and dark matter? An unseen
> > energy
> > > which
> > > holds everything together in space?
>
> I would like to know, YaBa, if you think the Universe
> is spinning, or turning rather as the math attempts
> to theorize in the link that I have provided in my
> open? If not then why not? What is the math behind
> disproving the Universe is not turning- spinning-
> rotating whatever?
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it moves?
Nov 5, 2009 2:59 PM
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Geesh, it's been many years since I even picked up a physics book...heck just the other day my mind went blank trying to do simple algebra! (Darn those fractions, and percentages!!) lol
Anyway, I used to dabble in this theory, and what I came up with is that anything that expands/rotates has a center or folcrum. Trajectory, velocity, volume, and friction/resistance have a great deal to do with dirrection of said expansion/rotation. It is possible that our universe is flat, but that would sugest other forces outside the universe creating the path of our universe if indeed it is expanding. Good question is what is our universe expanding into? Is the universe expanding, or is it just stretching? lol
A couple hundred years ago there was a great mathamatician from India...can't recall his name, but he had created such intricate equations that they eventually led to a possible equation that explained what the universe looked like.
My memory is sketchy on this, and maybe someone knows what I'm refering to...but what a couple of physicists came up with as a model of the universe using this acient mathamatical work of the Indian was what looked like a bug with endless curves...a sort of fractal design. They called it the God "something"...can't remember. However, a few years back I visited Rosewell NM, and took a tour of their UFO museum, and they had that model on one of their theory boards.
Maybe I can find something on the net about it.
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Re: Ever wondered what the Universe may look like- its shape and how it mov
Nov 5, 2009 3:11 PM
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Yes bob, I did notice. I have put a question quite similar in the past only to have it ignored as well. Further I looked around I noticed others have asked somewhat similar questions that too went untouched.
It is more that infant, our study of the universe, that any possibility should be legitimately considered, especially the ones that point to so many other effects that demonstrate such motion as spinning or otherwise moving.
A widely accepted theory right now is that the Universe is flat. See that link to understand the WMAP experiment and how it was determined to be flat in nature. Our minds have a hard time seeing the Universe as flat because it seems to be infinite in all directions. I'll be honest, it takes a few years of graduate school in Physics before you can get your head wrapped around concepts like this, pun intended.
Can't help but to notice the parallel to 'flat earthers' of centuries past. This is something that it is tough to maliciously fault anyone for considering this was presumed from what was seen. Often it is easy to convince ones self that what they see is what there is. The mentallity that if it is there surely another before me would have found it. Again, no one is at fault for the ignorance we have, we haven't experienced it or maybe haven't found what will provide us the path to understanding yet.
Spinning. This is a very important theory that has been around for about a hundred years. With everything "spinning" in the Universe, why wouldn't the whole Universe be spinning? Well, spin is relative. The Universe is it, it's "everything", it is infinite and it's complete. So, what would it spin about? Relative to what is the Universe spinning? Is some part of the Universe spinning relative to itself? If it's spinning like a sphere or circle then it would have a center (an axis to spin about), but we know the Universe has no "center". These are huge questions, that crack open the books on the nature of the Universe.
Quite the point that my mind is consumed by. Mankind has for an indefinite amount of time be enthralled by the 'cycle of life'. The cycle never stops despite the losses of the lives within that cycle. Extinctions aren't even the exception because life doesn't end there, at least from what we can tell the end of a species or even many species doesn't designate the end of the cycle, for life still persists. In different forms but nonetheless it is still present. It doesn't seem any kind of a stretch to apply this to the universe. It seems that what we have discovered thus far is all cyclic in one form or another. Planets, stars, moons, even galaxies seem to be on a continuous cycle. Understanding such actions is going to take thousands of years for us to document. To see as much as we can, and see how it is all in motion is hard, at least for me, to rationalize how somewhere somehow it just stops. In saying the universe is infinite aren't we saying there can't be a place where there is nothing? In suggesting a ''beyond'' we are saying there is an end. In the case of a boundary or end, there must also be another end in the other direction, thereby making it necessary to have a center. Could things be so vast that we can't actually see end to end, or even center to end? The thought of the universe as a sphere seems most likely to me a way to explain the infinite used when describing the universe. If it can be a sphere it can also explain how the motion of the universe can be translated into a rotation/spinning.
Great questions. This study reminds us how little we know about our Universe and yet how much we know just based on observations and calculations
Which is why I and hopefully so many others continue to emphasize to children the importance of vastness we inhabit. To allow children to close their minds to anything beyond what the see from the chair in front of the tv can be detrimental not only to science and the amazing discoveries that await us, but to humans themselves.
I am sorry for rambling so much, it is bordering what a couple of friends and I call "peace pipe pondering". LOL, that usually amounts to silence cause we get lost after an hour or two, but the things we come up with, WOW.
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