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"Under God" upheld - Court finally gets one right...
Jun 14, 2004 3:00 PM
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Common sense prevailed at the US Supreme Court today as the justices voted 8-0 to dismiss the pledge case on technical grounds. Scalia didn't participate because he wrote an editorial condemning the 9th Circuit Court's ruling a year ago. While I would have liked to see the justices vote 8-0 in affirming the pledge the way it is, dismissing the case is good enough for me. They were given the chance to change the pledge and they didn't so I am satisfied. However, I didn't hear or see a single justice sympathize with Newdow anyway so I doubt anyone would have voted with him had the case not been thrown out on a technicality.
The technicality of course, was that Newdow had NO custody over his child and that she was NEVER offeneded during the pledge. I don't know how this man could look himself in the mirror by simply USING his child for political gain but then again - he IS an Atheist. :D
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Jun 14, 2004 3:10 PM
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3 of the judges wrote in their statements that the "Under god" section of the pledge did not violate the constitution!
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Right Wing Ideologues will grasp at any straw
Jun 14, 2004 3:44 PM
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Try improving your reading comprehension.
The US Supreme Court did NOT rule on the question of whether or not "under God" belongs in the pledge.
The US Supreme Court did NOT rule on the question of whether or not the it is legal to require school children to HEAR the pledge, including eth words "under God" on a daily basis.
The US Supreme Court HAS RULED that no school can REQUIRE a child to recite the pledge, including the words "Under God".
What the most recent decision said, and ALL IT SAID, was that the father in question, due to the ongoing custody battle over his daughter, did not have LEGAL JURISDICTION to represent his daughter in this matter.
Pardon me, but the whining of 3 out of 9 justices is NOT a MAJORITY decision.
The path is clear for any other parent of a child to bring a case to the courts that the pledge of allegiance is a violation of the Constitutional separation of church and state.
This decision is simply a victory for divorce lawyers, nothing else.
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"Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling." ? George W. Bush
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Re: "Under God" upheld - Court finally gets one right...
Jun 14, 2004 4:06 PM
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>I don't know how this man could look himself in the mirror by simply USING his child for political gain but then again - he IS an Atheist.>
AND a Democrat. For them it's always "for the children."
Media editorial guidelines - "Downplay the good, hammer the bad. Run the Abu Ghraib story on the front page for three weeks. Bury the Nick Berg story after one day. Ignore the Sarin and mustard gas finds. If the story will help Bush, bury it. If it will hurt Bush, run it day after day and to hell with the consequences."
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I wouldn't relax about this one yet...
Jun 14, 2004 4:47 PM
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WHat they did was punt because they want the person bringing the case to have clear standing. It won't take long for another California Parent with real custody to fiel a similar brief. WHat it does mena is the court is ready to make a precedetn saettign ruling and they want it to be rock solid, that's why the liberals voted to dismiss: they want a solid case to make the real decision.
This is not even a punt. They want to revisit this with a better complainant. Won't take long.
But it is good for the Dems and Kerry to have one of these controversial cases finally put off so as to tick off the right wing for the election. This is good news for Kerry.
As to the issue, "Under God" should clearly be removed from the citizenship pledge and left in the pulpit.
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Find "God" in the US Constitution, please
Jun 14, 2004 5:03 PM
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I challenge you to find the word "God" in the US Constitution.
"Fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled
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"Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling." ? George W. Bush
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They sure were gutless...
Jun 14, 2004 5:19 PM
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What a cop out...They will have to address this sooner or later.
I always find it fascinating that those who want this clause left in the pledge are so quick to attack atheists but never mention that other Christians refuse to say the words. Many religions believe it is a blasphemy to pray with people no tin their denomination. This includes such main stream groups as the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. How many are aware that the Lutheran Church had a major debate on tossing out a leader in the Church because he participated in a group prayer, at Yankee Stadium, for the victims of 9/11? Atheists don't even have to be included in an argument on it's removal. For religious reasons alone it should be removed.
Also it makes the word 'indivisible' a joke.
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Re: Find "God" in the US Constitution, please
Jun 14, 2004 5:30 PM
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I'll do you one better, grumpybear. The term "Lord" appears in the original US Constitution. "They Year of our Lord," is the precise phrase.
Also, read Washington's Farewell Address. Read Thomas Jefferson's Second Inaugural address.
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Re: Find "God" in the US Constitution, please
Jun 14, 2004 6:54 PM
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OUCH!! That smack down had to hurt,huh bumblebear?
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Re: Find "God" in the US Constitution, please
Jun 14, 2004 7:09 PM
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Well, as long as you're acting as resident Constitutionalist...
Find out where it says that the Federal Government is responsible for creating jobs.
I've been waiting for a lib to find that passage for months.
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Jun 14, 2004 8:45 PM
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Expressed in their opinion that it did NOT violate the constitution. Those were the ones who actually expressed opinion! What did the others think?? One more would make a challenge impossible. Oh well, again talking to a wall.
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Jun 14, 2004 8:53 PM
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Just as soon as you find "separation of church and state" in the Constitution.
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Jun 15, 2004 7:42 AM
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Use spell check.
O, and don't hold your breath on waiting for "under God" to be removed. It will never happen.
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I push my fingers into my eyes / It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache / Jesus, it never ends, it works it's way inside / If the pain goes on, I'm not gonna make it! Slipknot - Duality
You shouldn't wall us up with your apathy / But you did and now you're only growing enemies / This is the catalyst, the alpha, the first breed / Cause you made damn sure, now we're everything / Discarded, Retarded... Slipknot - Welcome
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Jun 15, 2004 7:43 AM
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to find the term "separation of Church and State" in the Constitution.
Take all the time you need.
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I push my fingers into my eyes / It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache / Jesus, it never ends, it works it's way inside / If the pain goes on, I'm not gonna make it! Slipknot - Duality
You shouldn't wall us up with your apathy / But you did and now you're only growing enemies / This is the catalyst, the alpha, the first breed / Cause you made damn sure, now we're everything / Discarded, Retarded... Slipknot - Welcome
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The one secular use of the term "Lord" isn't...
Oct 24, 2009 5:47 PM
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The one secular use of the the term "Lord" isn't anything of any import. Simply the way to express a date in words rather than numbers at that time and even today.
It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts.
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