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If string theory is correct and there are dimensional membranes coliding and creating "big bangs" all the time, does that mean that God is an omnidimensioal being who is able to colide membranes at will? Some physicists are talking of doing that in the lbratory.
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Sep 6, 2009 8:56 PM
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I may be reading too much or too little into this, but I am not sure that dp understands string theory or membrane theory. Then again I am not enough of a physicist to say that I know the subject well. That said, as I understand it, string could be the most basic of building block, the smallest and most unpredictable. Everything is made of string from the densest iron ore to space. At the other end of this spectrum of matter is the membrane which essentially is the womb of the universe that we know, it is massive.
In theory string can have a dozen or more dimensions and has the nature unlike most things that must be matter or energy, string is both. When scientists search for matter, it appears as energy and when searching for energy it appears as matter.
Membrane accounts for anomalies in the structure of the universe suggesting that there could be multiple universes or even parallel universes that have uneven or asymmetrical structures.
If I am ignorant of the physics here I am open to being educated.
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Sep 7, 2009 7:53 PM
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If scientists were to succeed in creating a new universe in the lab, would they not be sen as gods by any inhabitants that arose in that universe?
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Sep 7, 2009 8:27 PM
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Ten, eleven with time doesn't look familiar but 12 or 13 does. It really does not matter beyond three dimensions plus time because any dimension past that is pretty difficult to comprehend. I thought we had a pretty good discussion to try at:
http://boards.history.com/topic/Other-Religions/Do-Spirits-Reside/520040245
I always like to combine string theory of dimensions with Michael Talbot’s hypothesis of a holographic universe. In that I believe there are multiple dimensions of time, thus accounting for those who see other time periods. Here too I once dreamt a very lucid dream in which I thought I could transcend time:
http://boards.history.com/topic/Other-Religions/I-Had-A/300024172
http://fusionanomaly.net/holographicuniverse.html
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Holographic_Universe/id/5864
http://www.reasoned.org/artic_2.htm
I believe that the theory is that all that is always was. This is destiny. There may be room for alternative fates within that destiny, but essentially everything is knowable. Stan Tenen and his Meru society also support this in ways.
www.meru.org
http://www.meru.org/introductions.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*&ei=2MylSprjJ5WwNurhxOoP&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Stan+Tenen+wiki&spell=1
Here was a trail I was on several months back regarding dimensions. It was inspired after picking up Lisa Randall’s book, “Warped Passages”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Randall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryogenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warped_Passages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall-Sundrum_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza-Klein_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_10_dimensions%3F
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory
While quickly scanning my notes on the above I did see the 10 dimension thesis.
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Sep 7, 2009 8:35 PM
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I think you would enjoy reading Zecharia Sitchin’s 7 volume “Earth Chronicle” set of books.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Zecharia+Sitchin+wiki&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
You might also learn about the concept of the Gnostic demiurge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge
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Sep 7, 2009 8:46 PM
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>> If scientists were to succeed in creating a new universe in the lab,<<
I do not know of any plans to attempt to create a "big bang" or new universe in a lab. Where did you pick up that rumour?
There are plans to possibly create miniature, artificial black holes, but they would be extremely small results from particle collisions, and if they were created, they would only last for a small fraction of a second. It would be similar to the miniature black holes that are thought to be created naturally by gamma rays from space hitting our atmosphere.
>> would they not be sen as gods by any inhabitants that arose in that universe?<<
Would they be "seen" by the inhabitants? If so, then they would not be "gods", because gods are imaginary beings created in the human imaginations.
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Sep 7, 2009 9:57 PM
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>> I thought we had a pretty good discussion to try at:
http://boards.history.com/topic/Other-Religions/Do-Spirits-Reside/520040245 <<
I skipped that discussion because it was about spirits, a subject that often seems to go nowhere in discussions because believers say you just have to believe.
>> believe there are multiple dimensions of time, thus accounting for those who see other time periods. Here too I once dreamt a very lucid dream in which I thought I could transcend time:<<
I do find time to be interesting, because time is variable and not constant. Time proceeds more quickly near large masses like on the surface of the Earth or in a black hole, and it proceeds more slowly in empty space. Time also proceeds more slowly for objects traveling at a high speed and more quickly in stationary locations. I personally see time as having three dimensions: past, present, and future. For multiple locations where time is proceeding at different rates the present is a constant and the same for all, like different rivers flowing at different speeds, but all having the same present time.
I also wonder if the red shift that is supposed to be evidence that the galaxies are moving away from each other (which is supposedly evidence that a big bang took place) may instead be caused by time variations between the galaxies. Right now there are two dwarf galaxies colliding with our galaxy, and in a couple billion years the Andromeda galaxy is supposed to start merging with our galaxy. There are a few dozen galaxies in our local group, and all of these galaxies are moving toward the huge Virgo cluster of galaxies. This seems to indicate to me that galaxies are moving toward each other instead of away from each other as supposedly indicated by the red shift. Could the red shift be caused by time proceeding slower in the space between the galaxies. The further away a galaxy, the greater the red shift would be, indicating that, supposedly, the most distant objects are moving away from us faster than are the closer objects, but the greater distance to the most distant objects may simply mean there is more "slow time" involved in getting the light to us from those galaxies making it just "seem" like they are moving away faster.
But I am sure this is not what you meant by other time periods. transcending time, or multiple dimensions of time.
It would seem to me that in order to travel through time one would need a transmitter and receiver, like a TV transmission tower to send a signal and a TV to receive the signal and convert it into a picture. A time traveler would need a receiving device in the time that he wanted to travel to, which would explain why there have been no time travelers coming to our time from the future, because no time travel receiving devices have yet been invented and built, so time travelers can't come to a time in their past before the time travel receivers are built.
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Re: Alain Aspect experiment
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It is unfortunate that your aversion to all things within the lexicon of spirituality or religion, keeps you from truly dialectic exploration of ideas. That said your thesis of time, relative to the density of its environment, is intriguing.
The discussion of spirits in the extra dimensions essentially is that things we call spirits may be other dimensional. We tried to put ourselves in a two dimensional space of say a picture. From the perspective of that two dimensional world what would we look like in our three dimensional world?
Likewise what would extra dimensions look like to us in a three dimensional world? What should we look for?
This also leads to the question of how these dimensions interact with each other, i.e., must all matter first contain those first two or three dimensions?
Could we live in a 4th, 5th, and 6th dimension world that is not aware of the first three special dimensions?
The suggestion is that our occasional encounter with these other dimensions could be thought spirit when they are actually other dimensional.
In these two links we have a discussion of the Alain Aspect experiment done in Paris in 1982. I only provide the first thought of each paragraph so you would need to follow the links to read the complete thought. It addresses your quandary on communications:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Aspect
http://www.reasoned.org/artic_2.htm
In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. …
But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations. University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. …
The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. …
This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is …
This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment. According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality …
If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. …
At its deeper level reality is a sort of super-hologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. …
Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the super-hologram, …
Working independently in the field of brain research, Stanford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality. …
Then in the 1960s Pribram encountered the concept of holography and realized he had found the explanation brain scientists had been looking for. …
Similarly, it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage: …
The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses …
An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists. Argentinean-Italian researcher Hugo Zucarelli …
It has been found that each of our senses is sensitive to a much broader range of frequencies than was previously suspected. Researchers have discovered, for instance, that our visual systems are sensitive to sound frequencies, that our sense of smell is in part dependent on what are now called "osmic frequencies", and that even the cells in our bodies are sensitive to a broad range of frequencies. …
As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is an illusion, …
In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is infinitely interconnected, …
The holographic paradigm also has implications for so-called hard sciences like biology. Keith Floyd, a psychologist at Virginia Intermont College, has pointed out that if the concreteness of reality is but a holographic illusion…
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Holographic_Universe/id/5864
“In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science.”
“Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since travelling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.”
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Re: Quantum entanglement and multiple dimensions
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Those are some nice links. I just scanned the wiki articles and watched just a minute or two of each of the youtube presentations, but they were good and and will read and watch then in full soon. There were several good PBS and Discovery Channel (maybe it was Science Channel), hour long presentations on multi dimension and paralel universe theory a few years back. It is a rapidly evolving theory. One of your youtube presentations speaks of Michio Kaklu. I am a big fan of his, "Hyperspace," and "Beyond Einstein" books. He as a way of demystifying complex theory.
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Sep 23, 2009 10:39 AM
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> If string theory is correct and there are dimensional
> membranes coliding and creating "big bangs" all the
> time, does that mean that God is an omnidimensioal
> being who is able to colide membranes at will? Some
> physicists are talking of doing that in the lbratory.
Sorry to interrupt, but I think that the word you mean is multidimensional, not "omnidimensional". Multidimensional means existing in numerous dimensions at the same time. Omnidimensional would imply existing everywhere in the same dimension.
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