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Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

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Last Post Nov 20, 2009 10:28 AM by: KarenAnn23
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Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 23, 2009 2:02 AM
Hi Everyone,

It's been awhile since I have posted here, Hoping for some help to a real Q.

I do know what the words means and I left the A on purpose, please don't just tell me to look it up, I have exstensivly...

What is either your definition ( in your own words please) or gut reaction to that.

Was Hoping AM was still on here.

Thank you

Karen

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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 24, 2009 12:33 PM
I might have missed my meds today.
Sounds like somebody is on the ethel.
Welcome back Karen.

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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 24, 2009 1:58 PM
chermud

Thank you for a least posting back...No I really ment Aether,
the older word...I know it has many meanings and most people don't spell it like that...

I was asking about a # of meanings and what it ment to an intellegent board...Aether...It's in old religous text, names, myths and yes put you to sleep also.

What else, if anything does it brng to mind to you or anyone.

I purposely left out one meaning in paticular. It's not just an ideal Q.

please give me some response??

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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 24, 2009 9:36 PM
ka 23

My first reaction to the word was the olde physics use of the word. The olde aether theory faded away, but I wonder if the new superstring M-theory might bring back the word and use it to refer to the membranes (or branes) that supposedly exist and account for parallel dimensions and also provide an explanation for the rapid, ekpyrotic expansion of the universe.

Aether

in physics, a theoretical, universal substance believed during the 19th century to act as the medium for transmission of electromagnetic waves (e.g., light and X rays) much as sound waves are transmitted by elastic media such as air. The ether was assumed to be weightless, transparent, frictionless, undetectable chemically or physically, and literally permeating all matter and space. The theory met with increasing difficulties as the nature of light and the structure of matter became better understood; it was seriously weakened (1881) by the Michelson-Morley experiment (q.v.), which was designed specifically to detect the motion of the Earth through the ether and which showed that there was no such effect

Encyclopedia Britannica, 2008.


In M-theory our universe exists within a membrane, which is one of many membranes known as the bulk.


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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 25, 2009 3:02 AM
Tellurian,

I thank you for a lovely start of my day...and the answer you provided.. of course this was what I mostly had in mind.

If i'm stepping on your toes, i completely understand, however, are you inclined to believe Aether exists in some form could you elaborate?

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Oct 25, 2009 4:57 AM
The true meaning of purpose:
Aether
Around about 1/2 wavelength
of half the nucleus of a hydrogen atom,
on the edge of deutrium faced planes,
into whole real actual waves.
The edge of the fringe of perception, beyond light,
and in all directions, equally spaced and guided or not.
The reality of the all, the beginning of forever.
A point of moving persistence,
all "reference" removed,
only the image remains.
Only breifly.

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Oct 25, 2009 5:51 AM
So, it's everywhere, in everything?

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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 25, 2009 1:14 PM
hiya K. first thing that comes to mind is 'higher heavens, next thing is a 'conduit', for light. That is if you can not accept light as applied magnetic's.

But really since you already have this defined and have thought about this, it would seem that in your mind you have already made up some ideas on the subject and are reluctant to share them without others expressing similar ideas or that you need coaxing. Considered yourself coaxed, what say you of ether?
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Oct 25, 2009 1:39 PM
well,, no I'm not really sure what exactly it is. Alot of people say it isn't, I really wanted input.

Thanks Karen
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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 25, 2009 4:56 PM
Karen

>> are you inclined to believe Aether exists in some form could you elaborate?<<

It depends on how you define "aether". The olde definition of it being a medium for the transmission of electromagnetic waves has been shown to be false, but changing the definition to one of superstring membrane or perhaps dark matter or dark energy could have the word referring to the existence of something that has yet to be examined and analyzed.

How familiar are you with M-theory, superstrings, dark energy, and dark matter? I don't want to get into terminology that may be unfamiliar and cause confusion. Or are you only interested in discussing the older version of the aether?


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Oct 26, 2009 3:41 AM
I was thinking more along the lines that it might have something to do with dark matter also..And, I'm bright but no scientist. If you word it in laymens terms I should know enough to be able to discuss this intellegently.

Wasn't Telsa a believer of Eather, or am I mistaken?

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Oct 26, 2009 5:02 AM
The reality of the all, the beginning of forever.

So close to the light source, and so be the same.
Afar and so, so close and to be the closest.
I love the persistence, of everything all the same.
The "all their is" parrallex.

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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 26, 2009 9:58 AM
Karen

>> I was thinking more along the lines that it might have something to do with dark matter<<

Are you familiar with WIMPs and MACHOs? WIMPs are Weakly Interacting Massive Particles which some suspect of being dark matter. Dark matter was first proposed when some astronomers observed that the star systems at the edge of our galaxy were traveling too fast around the center of our galaxy. At the speed they were traveling they should have been thrown out of our galaxy. It was then proposed that there must be some kind of hidden mass with a gravitational pull holding those star systems in our galaxy. Have you explored the following information on WIMPs and Dark Matter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_interacting_massive_particle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter


>> Wasn't Telsa a believer of Eather<<

Yes.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla%27s_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity#Tesla.27s_aether_concept

Is this the type of information you were seeking?


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Re: Q. If I say the word Aether, what is your first reaction correction!!!!

Oct 26, 2009 10:44 AM
There is an alternative to the dark matter hypothesis, called MOND. A quote from the wikipedia article:

"In physics, Modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND) is a theory that proposes a modification of Newton's law of gravity to explain the galaxy rotation problem. When the uniform velocity of rotation of galaxies was first observed, it was unexpected because Newtonian theory of gravity predicts that objects that are farther out will have lower velocities. For example, planets in the Solar System orbit with velocities that decrease as their distance from the Sun increases.

MOND was proposed by Mordehai Milgrom in 1983 as a way to model this observed uniform velocity data. [1] Milgrom noted that Newton's law for gravitational force has been verified only where gravitational acceleration is large, and suggested that for extremely low accelerations the theory may not hold. MOND theory posits that acceleration is not linearly proportional to force at low values.

MOND stands in contrast to the more widely accepted theory of dark matter. Dark matter theory suggests that each galaxy contains a halo of an as yet unidentified type of matter that provides an overall mass distribution different from the observed distribution of normal matter. This dark matter modifies gravity so as to cause the uniform rotation velocity data."
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Oct 26, 2009 10:54 AM
later in the wiki article, it notes that "Beside MOND, three other notable theories try to explain the mystery of the rotational curves and the apparently missing dark matter, these are Nonsymmetric Gravitational Theory proposed by John Moffat, Weyl's conformal gravity by Philip Mannheim, and the more recently published Dynamic Newtonian Advanced gravitation (DNAg).[12]"

All of these eliminate or greatly reduce the need for dark matter.
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