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Cold spots are supposedly indications of spirit activity. I have no air conditioning on todya, it's eighty degrees in the house, but I have a cold spot in the kitchen, just to my left, as if someone is sitting here watching me type.
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Sep 3, 2009 12:30 PM
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On Ghosthunters on SYFY, they make a big to-doo about cold spots. How did you notice this one?
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Well, catspaw, that's interesting, since today is the Ghost Festival!
The Chinese calendar is different from our calendar and the feast sometimes falls on different days. But this year (2009) Sept. 3 is the Ghost Festival, an important traditional Chinese holiday, celebrated especially by Buddhists and Taoists. It's sort of like Chinese Halloween.
It's the 14th/15th day of the 7th month of the Chinese calendar -- and they believe the whole month is a time when ghosts (spirits) are released and come back to visit earth. But today is the special festival.
http://www.chinese-culture.net/html/hungry_ghost_festival.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Festival
If you think you are being visited, perhaps you should wish your visitor well, and say a prayer for him/her.
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The cold spots keep brushing across the back of my neck, like a cat brushing against me. I say a cat, because my impression is that my spirit clowder is having some fun at my expense. What's disturbing though, is that the cold spots entry is the only entry I remember having made on 9/3, but I see other entries by me on that date.
I was not aware of the Festival of Ghosts. I will add that to my calendar for future reference.
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The only cold spot I ever get,
is at the bottom of my butt,
from too many hours here.
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Aw, muddy, now we know what to get you for your birthday, an electric chair cushion with thermostat,.  bet that would feel good anyway, ahhhhh.
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When I was 19 years old, I was studying religion, and I decided that a belief in the devil was primitive, and so I decided that the devil surely did not exist.
I even said it out loud. The devil does not exist.
A while later I went to bed. As soon as I fell asleep, I saw a creature that did not reflect any light, but absorbed all light, like a vacuum. It was the blackest black. All I could determine was its form or outline. It was a big creature and had points like multiple horns projecting on all sides of its outline. There were also some sparkles like energy that fluctuated over its form, but these sparks were absorbed into the form and did not shed any light on it.
While the creature stood there everything was fine. But then, it started moving slowly toward me.
As soon as it began to move in my direction, I was filled with terror. I won't describe this too much except to say that I woke myself up from that dream before the creature reached me. I "knew" that if he reached me, I would die. I had the same sensation as a drowning person at the bottom of a swimming pool, trying to reach the surface to get a breath. I woke up gasping for air.
OK all you skeptics say, sleep apnea, LOL, but I don't have sleep apnea.
Anyway, I said to myself, that was a weird dream, I didn't like it at all. So I got up for a drink of water and went back to bed.
As soon as I fell asleep, the exact same thing happened. It was the same in every detail.
This time when I woke up gasping, I was amazed. What was going on? I got out of bed and looked at the kitchen clock. It was 2:45 a.m. It was FREEZING in the house, the same thing I'd noticed the first time. I was so cold. I looked at the thermostat, and it was 72 degrees in the house (it was July, in Florida). But since I was cold, I got another blanket and went back to bed.
As soon as I fell asleep, the exact same thing happened. Again I felt as though I'd narrowly escaped. I woke up gasping for air. At this point it dawned on me that I might be facing a spirit, not just a dream.
This time, I prayed. It so happened that I knew some prayers in Hebrew because I'd been visiting a synagogue. Baruch Shem kvod malkuto l'olam vaed.... I can't remember them now but I said them very devoutly!!! And every time I got to the words haShem or Adonai I said it a little louder. Then I went back to sleep and slept like a baby with complete peace.
Next day I decided that maybe the devil does exist after all. There may be powers of all kinds and we know very little about them. If there are wholesome powers there may be unwholesome powers ("fallen angels") too. It's better not to mess with them.
Choose life. L'chaim!
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> When I was 19 years old, I was studying religion, and
> I decided that a belief in the devil was primitive,
> and so I decided that the devil surely did not
> exist.
>
> I even said it out loud. The devil does not exist.
>
> A while later I went to bed. As soon as I fell
> asleep, I saw a creature that did not reflect any
> light, but absorbed all light, like a vacuum. It was
> the blackest black. All I could determine was its
> form or outline. It was a big creature and had
> points like multiple horns projecting on all sides of
> its outline. There were also some sparkles like
> energy that fluctuated over its form, but these
> sparks were absorbed into the form and did not shed
> any light on it.
>
> While the creature stood there everything was fine.
> But then, it started moving slowly toward me.
>
> As soon as it began to move in my direction, I was
> filled with terror. I won't describe this too much
> except to say that I woke myself up from that dream
> before the creature reached me. I "knew" that if he
> reached me, I would die. I had the same sensation as
> a drowning person at the bottom of a swimming pool,
> trying to reach the surface to get a breath. I woke
> up gasping for air.
>
> OK all you skeptics say, sleep apnea, LOL, but I
> don't have sleep apnea.
>
> Anyway, I said to myself, that was a weird dream, I
> didn't like it at all. So I got up for a drink of
> water and went back to bed.
>
> As soon as I fell asleep, the exact same thing
> happened. It was the same in every detail.
>
> This time when I woke up gasping, I was amazed. What
> was going on? I got out of bed and looked at the
> kitchen clock. It was 2:45 a.m. It was FREEZING in
> the house, the same thing I'd noticed the first time.
> I was so cold. I looked at the thermostat, and it
> t was 72 degrees in the house (it was July, in
> Florida). But since I was cold, I got another
> blanket and went back to bed.
>
> As soon as I fell asleep, the exact same thing
> happened. Again I felt as though I'd narrowly
> escaped. I woke up gasping for air. At this point
> it dawned on me that I might be facing a spirit, not
> just a dream.
>
> This time, I prayed. It so happened that I knew some
> prayers in Hebrew because I'd been visiting a
> synagogue. Baruch Shem kvod malkuto l'olam vaed....
> I can't remember them now but I said them very
> y devoutly!!! And every time I got to the words
> haShem or Adonai I said it a little louder. Then I
> went back to sleep and slept like a baby with
> complete peace.
>
> Next day I decided that maybe the devil does exist
> after all. There may be powers of all kinds and we
> know very little about them. If there are wholesome
> powers there may be unwholesome powers ("fallen
> angels") too. It's better not to mess with them.
>
> Choose life. L'chaim!
Energies of our Soul can be quite profound sometimes. The images they (energies) create are just images. The ancients named them and created the "heavenly hosts" of myth, that has trickled down through the ages.
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While in college, a friend of mine, the news editor of the school paper, approached me saying he and several members of the paper were going to a supposed haunted house. It was Halloween. There would be three reporters and two photographers, one with infrared film or something like that. Supposedly that would catch any spirits.
We were going to have a supposedly well known medium who had helped police several times in identifying locations of dead corpses. She advised my friend to tell all of us not to drink or do any herbal substances as the spirits don’t respond well to those things.
We get to the haunted house, a mansion that has been donated to the city for the use as a retirement home for the elderly. The city kept it vacant for a few years and then sold it for residential use. It was on the most exclusive boulevard in this old and prestigious town that was also the county seat. Supposedly that was when the haunting began. Home owners came and left, each telling stories of the house being haunted.
We met the medium outside the house. She told us how to behave and some of the possible things we might witness if the spirits were poltergeist. From the moment we walked in she began sensing strong spirits. She said there were many spirits and they had been here a long time. The medium told us that these spirits did not have a strong presence in this entry and living room. We moved through the house and finally started up the stairs. The house was now quite old and not well cared for. It had cob webs all over and was dusty. Board covered the windows on the outside.
We stopped in one of the bedrooms where the medium said the spirits were strongest. This is when it got real interesting. The medium said, “they are here now.”
Out of the corner of my eye I saw one of the journalists with Nicole Kidman looks and strawberry blond hair, as her hair on one side flew up. She looked startled. I witnessed it. We were all standing in a kind of circle surrounding the medium. The medium said to the red head, “you felt that didn’t you?”
Then I felt a cold something pass through my left shoulder. The medium turned almost 90 degrees to look at me as she said, “you just had a spirit pass through you, did you feel it?” She went on to say, “it should have been cold.” I confirmed that I felt something feel like it had passed through me and it felt cold.
We all brought sleeping bags and slept an uneasy night on the hard wood floor.
The next morning we all left the house and stayed together for breakfast at a local café. None of us would say we believed in ghosts, but each of us said we saw something during the night. We were not sure if it was dreams or ghosts. None of us would say for certain that we did not believe in ghosts after that night. Going in I don’t think any of us believed in ghosts.
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There are many interesting things in this world! I'm glad it's not all "cut and dry."
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Wow, Tellurian, those were both good articles.
Just for the record, at the time of my dreams,
1. I had no known brain injury!!!!! and
2. I didn't own a clock radio. LOL.
Still I'm interested in the connection with "electromagnetic fields."
The second article says in its last paragraph,
"In any case, the experiments proved that paranormal phenomena [such as the dimming of lights, the levitation of a table, knocking sounds, etc.] are quite real. And like most such investigations, they leave us with more questions than answers about the world in which we live. The only certain conclusion is that there is much to our existence that is still unexplained."
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Tell, I do not have the cure for your skepticism. I will say though that the experience I testifiied to did not include any electro-magnetic devices, the house was old, without any power sources, and we only carried lights and camping gear.
We were all a bit older, I was a graduate student, the student body president, and had already served my four years in the military. I think I was 25 or 26 years old. All of the journalist involved were juniors or seniors. None of us wanted to experience a ghost, we could be classified as more than skeptical, we were cynical going in. None of us were openly religious. I knew a couple of the journalist well, both served as editors of the school newspaper in different years, both worked for the AP and went to work in journalism after graduation. I think we could be classified as agnostic.
The incidents of the hair flairing up and the cold movement through my and a couple of other peoples bodies happened soon after we arived and advanced to the upstairs room. We had little time to be influenced or to develope a group think.
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Sep 22, 2009 10:06 AM
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I may not have a cure for skepticism, but I remain skeptical of skeptical arguments. Sojo, as Cat and I and other have previously described, you have provided anecdotal evidence. The scientists in the castle (and elsewhere) are doing pretty much the same thing.
In the case, the researchers found evidence for cold spots.
They also found evidence for air drafts.
They propose rather than demonstrate that air drafts cause (or at least, could cause) the cold spots.
Based on prior research, they assert that some, perhaps most, people are suggestible. They further assert that some can be induced into thinking spirits are associated with cold spots. (personally, I have no problem with either of these assertions).
Therefore, they conclude, suggestible people are thinking cold spots associated with air drafts are spirits, when they are not. Therefore, there are no spirits with the cold spots; people are mistaken. I do have a problem with this.
They conclude this, but they have not demonstrated it. Logic does not allow such a conclusion. What they have proposed is a testable hypothesis, but they have not tested it. They supply anecdotal evidence.
When they can cause cold spots under controlled conditions, and by various subtle or unsubtle cues, demonstrate that people will reliably relate cold spots with spirits, but won’t do it without the cues, then and only then will they have provided anything more than anecdotal evidence and bald-faced speculation that the association of cold spots to spirits is simply a figment of the imagination. Indeed, they still will not have demonstrated that spirits don’t exist, nor will they have demonstrated that spirits are not associated with cold spots; they will only have demonstrated that an all-natural, no-spirits-need-apply explanation could explain what people report.
Spirits still could be associated with cold spots—indeed, there is no reason not to think that cold spots associated with drafts are not spirits themselves, anyway…at least to an animist like me ;^)
But the argument is that cold spots are associated with ghosts of dead people. The difficulty would be coming up with evidence supporting the spirit explanation, or at least, demonstrating that in some cases, the mundane explanation is inadequate to explain the results, which would leave open the possibility of spirit activity associated with cold spots.
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