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Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jun 29, 2009 10:33 PM
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I was very excited to see a show running tonight that wasn't about the end of the world, or dinosaur battles. I thought a show about our founding fathers would be very interesting.
Unfortunately, I've spent two hours shaking my head in disbelief. Did the National Enquirer put this show together? Between the rumors of Ben Franklin and sex orgies and the rumors of drunken stoned Declaration writers, I am completely blown away, and not in a good way.
Let's not forget the Hemp Museum representative who has informed us that homespun was made of entirely hemp; which, with tobacco seems to be the only crop grown in the colonies. Not to disappoint him, but homespun was also made of linen, cotton and wool. All of which were grown in this country.
It seems that someone decided that the founding fathers needed to be knocked off of their pedestals. I don't have a problem with showing their humanity, but this is ridiculous. All of the rumors, suppositions and vague "They Says" in a show that would be funny if it weren't so insulting.
Secrets just seems to be another stupid tabloid journalism show. I expected more from the History Channel.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jun 30, 2009 12:12 PM
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Very well said, I couldn't agree with you more!! In fact this bothered me so much that I sought out this forum. I was glad to see you mentioned the " they says". I kept thinking, who's they? If these meetings were so secretive, who was the source of this information? It felt very slanderous. They made Benjamin Frankllin out to be a total pervert. What I do know, is that times are tough in this country, and it feels like the only thing that might save us is getting back to the fundamentals of which this country was founded. It's hard to believe the manner in which the news is presented to us these days. Why should I believe the History Channel is any different. Everything feels so phony and sensational, it really is disgusting.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jun 30, 2009 3:49 PM
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Ditto here. I was expecting a show where we might learn a little about the private lives of the Founding Fathers and some of their imperfections. But this was nothing but a show for conspiracy theorists to present their lunatic beliefs. Little time was given for any "naysayers." The narrator sounded like a firm believer in these crazy ideas rather than a neutral observer.
Here's Ralph Epperson's web site: http://www.ralph-epperson.com/. He's been ranting this nonsense for decades. He makes it sound like the U.S. Constitution is part of a "Satanic, Masonic" plot of world domination.
Tthe History Channel has had a pretty good record of presenting both sides of an issue. But in some shows like the ones on UFOs, Nostradamus and these predictions of "armageddon," and this one, there is no balance. Nonbelievers are given hardly any time. I hope there isn't too much more of this sensationalist trash.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 1, 2009 11:55 AM
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As if the conspiracy theories weren't bad enough, the show said that Solomon's Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. That's when the Temple built by King Herod was destroyed by the Romans. Had they done a little simple research, they would have found that Solomon's Temple was destroyed in 586 B.C.E. (Before Christian Era) by the Babylonians.
New archaelogical finds are shedding questions on the accuracy of the history of ancient Judea as depicted in the Bible before the reign of King Josiah, not long before the Babylonian conquest. But that's another story.
Three tenets of any conspiracy theory are: (1) nothing is what it appears to be; (2) nothing happens by accident; and (3) everything's connected. Also, if you question the theory, theorists will probably say you're part of it.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 1, 2009 9:03 PM
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It grieves me a lot more to talk about Secrets of the Founding Fathers than the other reviewers above, because my husband Christopher was a serious Masonic historian who got talked into being interviewed and letting his book be used as one of the principal resources for this dog. Actually, there was a little of Chris’ book in the show; I heard it, here and there. They pointed out, for example, the fascinating similarities between Anderson’s Constitutions, the founding document of modern Freemasonry, and the much later Constitution of the United States. In his book, Solomon’s Builders, Chris goes into detail on this subject. Most of the rest was unrecognizable. Christopher couldn’t write that badly even if he were as stoned as this documentary claims our founding fathers to have been. But believe it or not, this posting isn’t about what they did to my husband’s book. This posting is about what they’re doing to their devoted fan base, myself included.
Gentlemen at the top in programming, please take note: We tune in to watch the History Channel because we actually like history. Otherwise, we’d be watching ESPN. You don’t need to spice it up with juvenile spiritualism and titillating sex in order to cram it down our unwilling throats.
My husband and I are both historians, and we’re both writers. We’ve both also worked in film for many years. Technically, you can’t beat American films and television, and especially lately, there’s a sumptuous, expensive feel to most of what gets produced for the History Channel. Secrets of the Founding Fathers was absolutely gorgeous, with great re-creations, wonderful cinematography, and terrific, colorful graphics. But it was all a fig leaf, there to cover up a naked emptiness at the core of it all, an emptiness devoid of any fresh ideas, or even any good ideas that have been done before, but still have merit, with untapped issues yet to explore.
The worst part here is not even so much that the show meandered, or that it hit below the belt on some of its history that had a doubtful provenance. The worst part is that sacrificing historical respectability didn’t get anybody anything. Even members of Christopher’s family were turning the show off, in spite of the “Look, my kid’s on TV” aspect. They were turning it off not merely from disgust, but from something infinitely worse - boredom. History isn’t boring, and if people are telling you it is, then it’s your fault, not theirs. To tell you the absolute truth, I wanted to turn it off myself. By the end of the first hour, it sort of devolved into a cosmic synthesis of bad history and worse speculation, culminating in long segments of repetitive drivel that were deadly dull.
Look, speculative history isn’t off limits; it’s not necessarily bad history. It just depends on how it’s presented. Take one example. I don’t get my bloomers in a twist over the idea that some of our great brains of the late 18th century were smoking dope. But to imply that our founding fathers were stoned when they wrote the Constitution, without a single contemporaneous journal entry or letter to back you up, is not just irresponsible; it’s stupid. Everyone knows that hemp was widely grown then, before the federal government got all neurotic about it in the 1930's. But if Franklin or Jefferson were smoking the stuff, they probably would have said so; there was no societal negativity about marijuana then, like we’re so heavily freighted with today. Besides, both men were amateur naturalists who would have considered the effect of smoking hemp to be simply an interesting phenomenon. But to put on some burnt-out stoner from the dog-ends of the Baby Boom to talk about how all these guys were probably toking away like mad day and night, without a shred of proof, makes the entire program look ridiculous. Just as much time was given to bozos like him and the guy who wrote The New World Order as was given to legitimate historians; one of those historians is a good friend of Chris’ that he talked into being interviewed, because Chris liked the show’s director. This friend didn’t want to deal with the History Channel; he’d been burned once before. Now, thanks to Chris’ innocence, he’s been burned twice. Hope he’ll still speak to us.
We knew Chris was in a bit of trouble when we heard the title, but we still hoped. After all, there are lots of fascinating secrets of our founding fathers. Of course, this show didn’t present any of them. A couple times I thought they might, like when they mentioned that John Hancock and Sam Adams had founded America’s first terrorist organization. I thought they might hit on some of the darker deeds of groups like the super-patriot Committee for Public Safety in Massachusetts, and some of the injustices they inflicted on the royalist opposition, but no such luck. So little is known about this subject that it would have been really interesting. After all, the bloody committee of the same name in the French revolution was inspired by ours. But of course, this area of interest was abandoned, and the remark never touched upon again, in order to leave room for one more look down the ample bosom of a prettily-dressed revolutionary miss..
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 1, 2009 9:06 PM
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I’m a writer too, and I know what it’s like to run dry of fresh ideas. I know what it’s like to be answerable to some creep higher up the food chain demanding that you will prominently feature the Hellfire Club, whether you can find out anything about it or not. And I know what it is to work under a scary deadline, as well. None of it is a viable excuse for history this shoddy. Even the sex isn’t any fun when it’s delivered up this way. All historians know that Ben Franklin rogered his way across France like a well-oiled machine, making valuable alliances for our new nation in the bedrooms as well as the drawing rooms of Europe. The Frenchwomen of the day absolutely adored him, and their private letters and diaries on the subject are rich with amusing incidents. But when the show features no evidence of the existence of these papers, it seems like cheap speculation instead of the rock-solid truth that it is.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 1, 2009 9:08 PM
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And speaking of cheap speculation, the garbage that came at the close of the first hour was just the worst, the absolute limit. When the History Channel first started delving into the spirit world, I thought it was kind of fun. I also thought it was a great way to feed teenagers history with some sugar coating on it. But somebody up the chain of command has an adolescent obsession with this junk. So, the History Channel is now the Blair Witch Network. People, this is weak.
I’m begging you, serious fans of history. Blast the network with emails demanding a return to the high standard of programming it once enjoyed. We’re loyal fans, but we’re being pressed to the limit.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 1, 2009 10:42 PM
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Hi Goybabe- I too am unhappy with the current path the new management- BTW- not a gentleman but a Ms- Nancy Dubuc- has decided to take the channel they continue to call HISTORY down- and I do mean DOWN !!!
SECRETS of the FOUNDING FATHERS was the first time I have watched the channel in months- it was the first time I have watched it this year. I too was once a faithful viewer, with my Tuner glued to THC.
As you are a Historian, I would like to hear your views on AX MEN, ICE ROAD TRUCKERS and all the other PrimeTime programs on a channel called HISTORY- that are pawned off to the viewer as "History". Thanks.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 2, 2009 12:38 PM
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Actually this information is very true. If you think that children are not being sacrificed to Molek as in days of old, you are greatly deceived, as most people today are. Their stuck in front of their televisions, i-pods, cell phones, etc..., while the "Secret" few figure out how they can continue to control your lives. At first I was suprised to see this on mainstream T.V., but then I realized when this first aired, people were not watching the History Channel, I'm sure other "Programming" was on, and those that were, would have the reaction that I have seen on this forum. And the next time it airs, people will be drunk on the festivities of a defacto July 4th celebration. So very clever indeed, as always. Want to really know what is going on?
Go to www.youtube.com/sovereignexodus
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM
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I agree that this show was made to be an entertaining, head scratcher. That's about it. It was full of half truth and partial explanations. My one question that I can't seem to find any information on is, "Who is "The Professor?" They mention one line in the whole show how there was evidence of a "mysterious man" in the balcony urging them on and telling them "now is the time" but then give no info of where that fable came from. I have searched for a while trying to turn up any info dealing with "the professor" and have found nothing.
I don't think this show as a waste of time, but man, what a load of bologna.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Sep 21, 2009 11:19 PM
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Whether true or not, I found this program very interesting and entertaining. I don't understand all of the complaints here. If you have a problem with the channel don't watch. Simple as that.
My thoughts about it are that our founding fathers were not saints. I'm tired of the squeaky clean wholesome image most historians try to feed us. Politics are dirty and always have been. Sure most of the content in this program was far fetched, but I do believe a lot of it could very well be true.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Oct 3, 2009 2:35 PM
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this is to correct the rebuilding of solomons temple by beam me up. the temple was rebuilt ater the babylonian destruction at about 450 bc it is in the book of ezra and later after the invation of antiocus epiphanes was reconsecraterd by judas maccabes in 164 bc creating the festival of lights known as hanika now depending on wich bible you use history of israel is silent for either 450 years or 250 years interesting that the masoretic text does not acknowledge judas maccabes but celebrates the festival of lights. since history is silent over this 250 years we can at best conclude that the first temple was built by solomon destroied by babylon rebuilt in the time of ezra invaded again in 167 bc by the greeks reconsecrated in 164bc during the maccabean revolt. from here we are left with the question of what happend until herod comes on the scene in the new testament just thought you should do a little more study about the facts.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Oct 5, 2009 4:24 PM
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Okay, I don't understand why people are making a big deal over the possibility of the founding fathers of the United States having skeletons in their closet. They certainly weren't saints. Most of them condoned the enslavement of African men, women and children. Anyone who condones the maltreatment of another human being could certainly be capable of participating in these acts.
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Re: Secrets of the Founding Fathers
Oct 28, 2009 8:47 AM
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Aside from the show Masons have made this statement, 'Masonry is religious in character but is not a religion.' What kind of double talk is that. Fact, Masons meet in a building called a Temple. Dictionary: A building dedicated to religious ceremonies or worship. They have an altar in this temple. Dictionary: An elevated place or structure before which religious ceremonies may be enacted or upon which sacrifices may be offered. They practice a ritual called being 'Raised into the Light' in the Blue lodge or 3rd degree of masonry. This is the equivilant of being 'Reborn' or 'Ressurected' a definite religious experience for those that actually are. A cult is a cult is a cult. They lie to the own initiates about the meanings to their own symbology and are always changing the explanation of them.
Masons also call themseves 'The Builders'.
The Builders (Paperback)
And it is a religion,
Religion of Masonry: An Interpretation (Paperback)
They are an ancient Egyptian cult. Note the Egyptian trappings at many of the lodges and temples and in their symbology.
Let me paste a few verses from a bible, New American - King James was edited by Francis Bacon and is worthless unless you are looking for the code he put into it since he was a master cryptographer, that talks about The Builders.
[Matthew 21:42] Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the scriptures: 'The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; by the Lord has this been done, and it is wonderful in our eyes'?
[Matthew 21:43] Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that will produce its fruit.
[Matthew 21:44] ( The one who falls on this stone will be dashed to pieces; and it will crush anyone on whom it falls.)"
[Matthew 21:45] When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they knew that he was speaking about them.
Pharisee means lawyer and politician. And what is Washington made up uf today but lawyers turned politician.
The poliitics of religion and the religion of politics. 2 more cults.
I have found that most if not all of the Christian and Jewish religions are Masonically controlled with the pastor, priest or rabbi being a mason.
Go here and see it for yourself from their own mouths,
Marker Commemorates Historic Jewish Temple
Recently, history repeated itself when the Albuquerque, New Mexico, Jewish community invited Temple Lodge No. 6 of Albuquerque to assist with the dedication of a Centennial Marker at the site of the first Jewish Temple, Congregation Albert, built in the Rio Grand Valley. Responding to the invitation, officers and members of Temple Lodge No. 6, all active Scottish Rite Brethren (pictured above), performed a Masonic cornerstone ceremony for the marker. A century ago, in 1897 when New Mexico was a territory, the members of Temple Lodge No. 6 performed the same cornerstone ceremony at the same site.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020622042004/http://srjarchives.tripod.com/1998-03/cimar.htm
Through experience I have found that most if not all of the religious institutions are all connected to Wall Street and so are corporations.
What lenders say about accountability
Also to gain tax exemption they must become a corporation per the I.R.S. Go to page 19 of this pdf,
Publication 557
So churches are based on money and per the bible the love of money is the root of all evil. Masons are always about prestige and money.
Another verse,
[Luke 20:37] That the dead will rise even Moses made known in the passage about the bush, when he called 'Lord' the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;
[Luke 20:38] and he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."
[Mat 23:25] "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You cleanse the outside of cup and dish, but inside they are full of plunder and self-indulgence.
[Mat 23:26] Blind Pharisee, cleanse first the inside of the cup, so that the outside also may be clean.
[Mat 23:27] "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You are like whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and every kind of filth.
[Mat 23:28] Even so, on the outside you appear righteous, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and evildoing.
[Mat 23:29] "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the memorials of the righteous,
[Mat 23:30] and you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have joined them in shedding the prophets' blood.'
[Mat 23:31] Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are the children of those who murdered the prophets;
[Mat 23:32] now fill up what your ancestors measured out!
[Mat 23:33] You serpents, you brood of vipers, how can you flee from the judgment of Gehenna?
Masons are again an Egyptian based religion and theirs is the god of the dead, namely Osiris.
Unless you are a mason in todays society you will not attain to any position of power or importance, you will not be let in.
This is the group that was responsible for the murder of Jesus and he called them a nest of vipers and liars whose father was the devil. Interesting that serpents also figure quite prominantly in masonic iconography.
There will be those on this board who will slam this post. Go ahead, I have provided proof of everything I said.
Ifyou wish further hardcore information that cannot be disputed go here
The Adepts of Deceit
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
Volume One and Two
By R. Sword
Now as far as the show is concerned, secrets do have a way of eventually coming out.
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