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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 25, 2008 10:35 AM
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No conspiracy,no plot. what you saw was what you got. Anti-social ADHDer got lucky and the rest of the world paid the tab. Who knows if things would have been better or worse.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 25, 2008 10:42 AM
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No conspiracy,no plot. what you saw was what you got. Anti-social ADHDer got lucky and the rest of the world paid the tab. Who knows if things would have been better or worse.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 25, 2008 1:50 PM
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Here's a what-if:
What if the third shot (the fatal head shot) had missed? Would the second shot (that pierced through Kennedy's throat) have killed the President?
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 26, 2008 1:47 PM
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> Here's a what-if:
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> What if the third shot (the fatal head shot) had
> missed? Would the second shot (that pierced through
> Kennedy's throat) have killed the President?
The throat shot was non fatal. They were at Parkland fast enough to stop the president from bleeding to death.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 26, 2008 2:01 PM
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> No conspiracy,no plot. what you saw was what you got.
> Anti-social ADHDer got lucky and the rest of the
> world paid the tab. Who knows if things would have
> been better or worse.
Does it strike you as odd that the rest of the world, including millions of Americans, don't believe this view?
"...got lucky..." Interesting phrasing. Oswald, if he was the assassin, sneaks a rifle into the TSBD and without anyone noticing assembles it and creates a snipers nest for himself. This rifle is a piece of junk with a scope ill suited for the task, a scope never sighted in. With it he pulls off a difficult shooting feat, despite little or no practice in this type of shooting (the shooting was so difficult that the Warren Commission's experts did not even try to duplicate it as they had difficulty with an easier shooting feat.) He has gotten into position with seconds to spare and escapes from the building with a combination of nonchalance and stealth that is mind boggling. Were it not for a run in with Officer Tippit it is conceiveable that Oswald might not have been apprehended that day, or possibly at all.
This is indeed "lucky" and many might come away wondering how all this was pulled off as well as all the rest. Going to the USSR and returning, for example. One might also wonder what the motivation would be for this murder, one of the keys in any murder investigation (Means, Motive, and Opportunity.) That he was anti-social? That he wanted attention? To make a name for himself?
Pretty thin.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 26, 2008 7:15 PM
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> This rifle is a piece of
> junk with a scope ill suited for the task, a scope
> never sighted in. With it he pulls off a difficult
> shooting feat,
Granted, the Mannlicher-Carcano was far from the best rifle, but what's so difficult about shooting a target only a 100 feet away with a 4x scope (making it seem as if the President was only 25 feet away), even for an average marksman?
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 27, 2008 11:53 AM
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> > This rifle is a piece of
> > junk with a scope ill suited for the task, a scope
> > never sighted in. With it he pulls off a
> difficult
> > shooting feat,
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> Granted, the Mannlicher-Carcano was far from the best
> rifle, but what's so difficult about shooting a
> target only a 100 feet away with a 4x scope (making
> it seem as if the President was only 25 feet away),
> even for an average marksman?
Well, since you asked. The limosine caryingthe president was moving around 9-11mph during the shooting meaning that the "target" moved approximately 2 ft. from the time trigger is pulled until impact. The limosine moved side to side, down, and away. If the shots are coming from the 6th floor TSBD this adds shooting at an angle to the chore. This is not an easy shot.
Oswald is a trained shooter many say. Okay, he trained with a military rifle, semi-automatic, with open sights. Completely different than shooting a bolt action rifle with a scope. The movement of cycling thebolt causes the rifle to move, the scope exagerates these movements, making it easier to lose the sight picture...the disadvantageof being closer. Add to this that Oswalds shooting skills declined while he was a Marine to the point that he barely qualified on his last test.
Let's look at the rifle and scope. The Mannlicher-Carcano is a very crude bolt action military rifle...I have owned one. Many people look at a bolt action rifle with a scope and they think "sniper's killing weapon." The Carcano is anything but. Military bolt action rifles are designed to work in the mud, to hold up to anything, and to not foul up the user. They are designed not for speed but to work under all conditions, while sporting and target rifles are designed for less stress and more speed. The scope on the gun was a Japanese piece of junk better suited for use on .22LR rifles (extremely light weight.) The scope was never sighted in, critical to precision shooting. If a scope is not sighted in the bullet will go generally in the area the scope's cross haris are positioned.
The Warren Commission employed a team of expert shooters to test fire the Carcano. These were men very familiar with all sorts of weapons and shooting. Their tests were from a tower approximately half the height of the sixth floor and at stationary targets (spaced at the distances of the shots fired, or believed to be fired.) Look at their results; not perfect. They fired an easier series of shots, they are far better trained than Oswald and under no stress, and they could not better his shooting. What does this tell you about what an average shooter might do?
The shooting of the president looks easy and the case presented by the Warren Commission seems plausible if you don't examine it. If you know a little about Oswald, something about guns, and give a good critical look at the Warren Commission Report the answer to questions like yours don't seem so simple.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Jul 28, 2008 7:25 AM
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Alas! Too bad we can't go back in time to 11/22/63 a minute before the assassination, freeze the moment, run up to the sixth floor of the TSBD, check out what's going on, and then run all the way back down out of the building to the Grassy Knoll and check out what's going on around there.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Aug 4, 2008 10:28 AM
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If you could go back, why not stop the shooting from happening!!!!
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Aug 4, 2008 11:27 AM
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That would have changed history. If the assassination of JFK was prevented, who knows what would have happened, good or bad? Just a hypothetical scenario: JFK is not assassinated > the Vietnam War plays out differently > the war protest that my dad met my mom at never occurs > ergo, they do not meet > ergo, I am never born, etc., etc.!! 
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Aug 9, 2008 8:16 PM
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> Alas! Too bad we can't go back in time to 11/22/63 a
> minute before the assassination, freeze the moment,
> run up to the sixth floor of the TSBD, check out
> what's going on, and then run all the way back down
> out of the building to the Grassy Knoll and check out
> what's going on around there.
This is what I consider to be the main problem with government reports. If someone reads them, or a part or just gets a synopsis from somewhere they reacha conclusion. You did, about how easy the shooting was and I gave you a different view, a more informed view, if you don't mind. The above reply to my rebuttal is silly. It is as if you either don't want to think or can't admit that there is more to it than you are willing or able to understand.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Aug 10, 2008 2:47 PM
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You have a more informed view than the Warren Commission???
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Aug 10, 2008 7:50 PM
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I see the shortcomings of the WCR, as does anyone that looks at it. You and I have discussed it at length both with this screen name and plane norris. I've done quite well to show that you don't understand much of what you have read. The WCR has done a poor job of the investigation and has made attempts to make it seem they did a much better job of it then they did. Let's bring up my favorite, one that you tried to misrepresent more than once. The WCR would have us believe the shooting was easy yet they made no real attempt to duplicate. The tests that they did were intentionally made easier yet they gave the public the idea they had duplicated the shooting. The average reader like you believed it.
Giveit up fzzy.
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Re: The Assassination of President John . Kennedy.
Aug 11, 2008 7:50 AM
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So,then,you have 2 screen names? Why would you need 2 different screen names? I would think that the History Channel would not allow more than 1 screen name per poster to be active simultaneously. Do you have an explanation for this most basic of deceptions?
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