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Aug 25, 2008 12:47 PM
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I was in Mexico in about 1997 and we had a tour of the main castle in the site at chichen Itza.. It allow us to go up a set of stairs inside the castle's underground.. At the top was a jade tiger with ruby eyes... Is there a way to rediscover this event.. I would love to see a show on this type of find.. I went back to the Mayan site yrs later and it was not opened again... I again had a very steep narrow stair way and was under the main stairs..... PLEASE can we see it.....
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Texas
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Feb 11, 2009 3:20 AM
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I saw the Ruby Jaguar. Going up those steep, confining steps gave me claustrophobia, and the slightly scanty air supply and huge line of tourists before and behind didn't help, and when we got to the top, it turned out that the Jaguar was in the museum, not the chamber!
The ceiling of the inner staircase is very low! The Indians were shorter than modern Americans, but I'm not sure that was the only reason.
Chicen Itza, like other pyramids, were periodically added to/refaced in accordance with some Mayan mathematical standard, becoming pregressively taller and wider. On the outside, there had to be a certain number of steps, resulting in high, narrow, steep steps. It may have had some relationship to their astronomy. That inner Jaguar chamber gradually became hidden farther and farther inside the pyramid.
The small chamber built for the Jaguar is directly under the main outer platform at the top of the pyramid.
Did recently see one show with a brief mention and a picture of it. Not sure why the Jaguar had been moved back from the museum when you saw it. Perhaps more people went to the pyramid ruins? Maybe you saw a replica?
More than the Jaguar, I enjoyed the feathered serpents (Quetzalcoatyl) which flank the main outer staircase up the pyramid.
The shadows cast by the sun as it moves makes it seem that the serpent is moving and slithering. Great effect.
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Apr 13, 2009 7:41 AM
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According the documentary "Ancient Aliens" (cablecast on the history channel yesterday[april 12] evening) the Mayans disappeared without a trace six hundred years before the pyramid of Chichen Itza was even built, so the thing doesn't exist and you've been dreaming the whole thing up.
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Apr 26, 2009 8:39 PM
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The day decembber 21 2012 its not a prediction of any kind from the mayans to begin they did not use the calendar we use now so this date in the tranlation is misscalculated perhaps and mayans did not predict dooms day it is an astronomic astrolig event that will take place a line up of planets wich means a cycle like a day like a year an hour a minute its a cycle and by putting words on their mouth by saying they predict something like that you are insulting our their intelengence and knowledge and my culture please invastigate more about mayans, aztecs, toltecs, zapotecas olmecas etc before putting this on your programs
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Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM
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Unfortunately, elurio's belief in the timeline of Mayan events is misguided. 99% of all Aztec and Mayan documentation, including critical histories which would allow us a correct timeline of their historical events, was destroyed by the Christians shortly after the conquest. We have no way of knowing when the Mayans actually disappeared or whether it was before or after the building of the final layer of Chichen Itza. What passes for Mayan and Aztec historical dating is a fabrication invented by modern historians who are 'guesstimating' to the actual timeline of Mesoamerican events. So, if historians claim a Mayan event happened in say, 600 AD, it could very well have happened in 900 AD or 600 BC. We have no way of knowing for sure the exact dates of the events, even though we have accurate knowledge of the actual event itself.
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Oct 25, 2009 9:47 PM
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Actually they/we do. You only think they don't.
Today
11 Rabbit (year), 1 Flower (13 day cycle used like a 1/2 Lunar month), 8 Deer (day)
The Aztec Calender is very accurate and easy to follow.
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Oct 26, 2009 9:38 AM
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Yes, but unfortunately the Aztec and Mayan calendar repeat after so many years. (52 for the Aztecs and 256 for the Mayans) The Aztecs and Maya do not reckon time in the linear sense that Europeans do. So, given that Aztec and Mayan dates repeat after so many years, the Aztec dates you provided could easily be 600 AD, or 548 AD or 652 AD because of the repeating nature of the Aztec calendar every 52 years. Read any mainstream historical account of Mayan or Aztec history, they always use phrases like "around 700 AD" or "About 700 AD" because the cyclic nature of the Aztec/Mayan calendar and the destruction of Aztec and Mayan records have prevented us from nailing down an exact date. So again, I'm correct when I say that Mayan and Aztec historical dates are a fabrication based on "guesstimating".
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Oct 26, 2009 11:45 PM
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Without Googling it, are you familar with ... well maybe I don't trust you just yet ....
was any of this ever studied first hand? That is the question, I will put forth.
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Oct 29, 2009 9:44 AM
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SFV, I'm assuming you are referring to the Mayan and Aztec calendars being studied. And, yes, it has been studied. I can go into great detail about the different aspects of both Aztec and Mayan calendars, but I'll refrain until posts relating to it show up in the forum. For now, I'll say that the only "accurate" thing the Mayan calendar keeps track of is the solar year and the revolution of Venus around the sun. So, when you hear, see or read that the Mayan calendar is more accurate than ours, this is referring to it's ability to accurately measure the solar year or the rotation of Venus.
Historians try their best to piece together the timeline of events in Mesoamerica, but the point I'm trying to relay to the average reader interested in the subject is that mainstream historians may be in error as to the particular dates given for events because of the lack of Native American documentation (which was destroyed in the 16th century) and the fact that when the various Catholic missionaries who were commissioned by Charles the V of Spain to make an anthropological study of the new Spanish subjects never included Mayan or Aztec calendar dates in their writings when information was relayed to them by the Aztecs or Maya, compounding the modern historians reliance on "guesstimation".
There are a few reasons why the Catholic missionaries may not have included Aztec and Mayan calendar dates in their written histories, the most obvious being the 16th century scholars inability to convert Aztec and Maya dates into European ones.
Also, please continue to not trust me- not because I'm not to be trusted, but because you'll continue to pose intelligent questions and conversation on the subjects in this forum as a result of your mistrust. (I may purposely throw some inaccuracies in my posts just to see if you or anyone else is paying attention out there)
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Nov 1, 2009 12:59 PM
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It is a very simple question Joe.
>>>"was any of this ever studied first hand? "<<<<
No one, but one two are paying attention to this thread, so pleaas, put out accuracies.
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