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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 9:05 AM
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Bob - I really like your phrasing about the carnies
Thank you.
It is closely related to the purpose of my first tag line.
Nobody wants to play rhythm guitar behind Jesus.
Everybody wants to be the lead singer in the band.
It may be flippant. But unfortunately quite true. Moses stopped talking when he died. But according to the church "leaders" Jesus hasn't shut up for 2000 years.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 9:07 AM
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Have you ever heard that there are as many realities as there are people?
Even more if you count the schizophrenics. More still if you count the schizophrenics.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 9:08 AM
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> "If a man says something but there is no woman
> around, is he still wrong?"
Only if there is a Priest, Elder, or Shaman standing within earshot.
Which one of those is St. A.?
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 9:12 AM
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> > "If a man says something but there is no woman
> > around, is he still wrong?"
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> Only if there is a Priest, Elder, or Shaman standing
> within earshot.
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> Which one of those is St. A.?
He doesn't count.
If a man says anything derogatory near him it is automatically true.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 9:25 AM
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He doesn't count.
If a man says anything derogatory near him it is automatically true.
What if you say something positive, and he STILL calls you stupid?
BTW, I think I know the answer to this one. 
Oh, and I am pretty sure he does count. I just don't think the numbers come in the same order when he does it.
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Nov 30, 2008 9:45 AM
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Religion is a manmade thing developed to control the masses through fear of going to hell. The churchs also use this fear and the human need for hope to extort money out of them. Tax free I might add. True religion comes from within themselves and their own personal relationship with their God. Whether they are a good or bad person and good to their neighbors is what counts.
This thought of my "religion is going to heaven and yours is going to hell " is bunk. That's like saying a Tebetian monk is going to hell even though he wouldn't harm a fly. Just because he has a different religion does not mean he is a bad person. Typically, most people follow the religion in which they were taught (brainwashed) as children. We develope our fear of God at this early age. This fear is then used against us. Why would God want us to fear him?
Religion comes from in oneself.
"I believe in God, I just don't believe in his ground personel."
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 9:55 AM
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I agree, wrlewis. I don't think that God gives a hoot HOW you worship Him as long as you DO worship him. All the rest is fluff.
God's true church? No such thing. I don't believe that He limits his love to any one particular religion or denomination.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 10:16 AM
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navy- You said --" God's true church? No such thing. I don't believe that He limits his love to any one particular religion or denomination."
So, did Jesus say the Words "my Church" or was He also speaking about all the other Johny-come- lately churches with their ninety day wonder billy -bob preachers? You see the big difference is that the One True Church that Jesus form has the Fullness of Faith as compared to all the other watered-down man-made churches , that's the difference navymomqr.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 10:27 AM
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Barry, I believe that when Jesus said 'my church' he was talking about people, not an institution. I have no problem with any group of people who want to get together and celebrate their mutual beliefs. If that's the way you want to worship, it's a good thing. I do, however, have a problem with anyone telling me that because I don't worship in the same way they do, that my worship is wrong, or not as valuable to God. I respect your strong beliefs and your willingness to defend them. All I ask is that others respect mine as well. We are all God's children. He made us all. Those who worship Him are His church. Do you really believe that He cares less for me because I'm not a Catholic?
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 10:44 AM
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All that matters is what is in your heart...
'The kingdom of god is within'...Eternity IS now...
god is Nature...
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I thought this subject had already been beaten' to death a while ago on this board....
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It's the great becoming that makes the light and the heat and the motion, and bangs you from hither to yon. ~Vonnegut
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Nov 30, 2008 11:12 AM
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navymom- Yes, God loves everyone ,except for our sins that we commit, If you would kindly reread Matt. 18; 15-18 you will be able to decipher the difference between a group of people as compared to the Church and notice the end of this verse where all power and authority is given to a particular Church and that Church is what Jesus meant by "my Church" notice the very Words of Jesus when He said " Truly, I say to you , whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" the actual Words of Jesus , of course thiis isn't the only verse that valadates a One True Universal Church that Jesus formed on this earth, and to prove that He didn't want any dessention or divisions [ all these many man-made churches] then you must read Romans 16; 17-18 and also 1 Cor. 1; 10 it explains that there should be only a Church which contains the same doctrines and only the universal Church [ universal because Jesus intented His Church to be Universal or Catholic , the term means the same thing ] only the EO/ Catholic qualify , sorry but no other Teaching method did Jesus want, can you show me from the Bible where Jesus said go out and worship any way you please and where did He ever establish a "Bible Alone "church. you can't because Jesus only established His Church [ He said my Church not my churches] then after the " Church "was well grounded and established then and only then did He allow the Holy Spirit into guiding His Church into selecting the Canonical Books that make up His Holy Bible, the Bishops of His Catholic Church did this Divine Commission nobody or no other Church only His [universal ] Catholic Church it is a proven, undisputed fact of history.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 11:57 AM
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First, Barry, let me say that I realize that my belief system is very probably totally opposite from yours. And although you obviously believe that the Catholic Church's interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one, we will have to agree to disagree on that point.
Second, I would really like for you to answer the question I asked in my previous post. Do you belive that I and my worship are less valuable to God because I am not Catholic? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just curious about your opinion.
Third, it really doesn't matter much to me which church was first, which has the correct doctrine, whether apostolic succession is true or false, which translation of the Bible is correct, etc. What does matter to me is that God and not man is my judge, and I trust Him to make the judgement I deserve. In the meantime, I follow Matthew 7:1- Judge not that ye not be judged.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 12:16 PM
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The only really "true Church" is the group of anointed Christians that have been resurrected to heaven.
All the rest have to prove themselves faithful until then.
I personally don't think there are any true religions, only good, bad, and ugly ones.
Religion is based on the individual's form of worship anyway, and is judged by Christ accordingly:
James 1:26 And if any man think himself to be religious, not bridling his tongue, but deceiving his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
To give a blanket recommendation for any religious organization as "the truth" or "the true religion" is offensive to all victims of their antics via false teachers, false brothers, and false prophets from within them.
Some groups are better than others, some are worse.
None deserve the broad general "True Religion" status.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 1:30 PM
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navymom- i'm certainly not judging you nor do I have the rights to do that, although I believe that many people who have never heard the Good News will be in heaven , and that many of those that have heard the Good News will not be, as according to Matt 25; 31- 46, navymom, have you ever given it a thought that maybe Jesus did actually form a One Church, with lets call them ,"rules" to follow, after all God did give us a set of "rules" with the Ten Commandments and many of the followers decided that ,yes ,it was from God, but have a similar atitute as you and with "I'll worship my way" or an easier softer way which is more condusive to my lifestyle and needs of what I think instead of what Jesus desires ,in which He said He will establish "my Church" not your church , of course we all agree that it is the members that comprise His Church, [but which Church ] don't forget Jesus did actually form a One True ,Visible, Viable Church with all of it's universal members believing in the same Teachings , [ refer to Rom. 16; 17-18 / 1 Cor. 1; 10 ] not as it is today with a muti-thousand doctrinal differences and all with a different interpretation , I mean just take a moment and reflect on how senseless that concept is when we all agree that there is only One Holy Spirit with the same exact One Teaching of the Good News, sure it would be great just to design are own religious system of worship but as according to ALL obvious Teachings from Jesus it definitely doesn't point to that way of religious behavior,that would be like a married man saying that he believes in the God given sacrement of marriage but then thinking and practice having a few mistresses just because he followed through with marriage, or something to that way of thinking, and from what we see today, that way of thinking definitely seems like the trend that has been in vogue for the past few hundred years and continuing with more and more watered -down versions of these tailor-made cults and churches ,some more further away from original Gospel Christianity than others.Yes navymom your religious belief system may be different than mine but so is the Hare Krishna way of worship.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 30, 2008 1:59 PM
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> Believe as you choose, I am not here to judge you.
> Only God can do that not some man in a pulpit or me
> or any of the fools in the world who claim they can.
> My entire point is to show how many of you claim to
> be the members of the real deal, when in fact none of
> us has the right to claim anything.
> Live your life as you read and interpret the Bible,
> do things as " christians ". Do not follow the
> masses, be simple and humble. Go the distance, do not
> be a stumbling block for others, do not name call and
> make wild un- proven claims to the world about who
> was first and who is better than thee.
> No one of us humans knows which is the God proven
> style of church, brand of christianity or any of that
> jazz.
> Only God knows. That is the answer to all of it. The
> real truth is that it is hard to let go of what we
> thought was real. We have been spoon fed mans
> doctrine for 2000 plus years and not one of you can
> deny it. Who translated the Bible? man. Who teaches
> teaches the Bible to you on your day of observance?
> man. People use your brains and stop being
> brainwashed by the masses of others, don't be like
> cattle and follow because your friends do.
This is the real deal, some may disagree, some may agree. I really don't care, I just want everyone to get along. I am shocked by the ignorance here, even more, the stupidity. I guess that is why it is up to God to sort out all the details.
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If a man says something but there is no woman around, is he still wrong?
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
The hardest thing in life is letting go of that you thought was real.
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