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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 8:11 AM
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1. Can we agree that it has to have been in existance from the time of Christ?
No, sorry, afraid we cannot agree on that. because before there was Christ, there was God, and if God set up any 'Church' he left it in the hands of the Jews, and gave them a ton of laws to live by and uphold. Jesus was a member of that church. He upheld all its teachings, he said so himself. If the church you are thinking of does not , then it is not the true church. How's that?
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 8:12 AM
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Lakota,
The only thing I have to say to you is;
God doesn't have a dark side. 
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"God's words discerns the intentions of the heart. Those who claim to represent it but reject it reveal their heart condition before God and all men."
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"Jesus didn't become God Almighty until Constantine said so"
Retraction is hereby retracted.
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Nov 17, 2008 8:19 AM
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I am glad that you are comforted by the beliefs you hold and hope that they embody the truth within each of you, and have no doubt that they do.
I think maybe that "Truth" needs no justification and it dismisses rationalization.
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Is there anybody out there?
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Nov 17, 2008 8:22 AM
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Hi Lakota,
The sacred feminine lives on within you, my friend, so it is not extinct.
best,
swampy
lol, thanks , I try. Her four legged and feathered children are my congregation, our cathedral is the forest, and each breeze the holy spirit. But then, you know all that, too dontcha babe? I keep sending my small voice up to Big Momma praying that she won't be too hard on us, and especially on the other creatuires on the planet when she decides to discipline us. Momma can be a stern teacher, and when she smacks you, you know you have been smacked, and you know you also deserved it. Right now I think she is pretty POed at us humans, after all , we haven't sent her a Mother's Day card for 2000 years or so. That is a lot of payback we have accrued. Right now she has her sleeves rolled up, I think the scrubbing is about to commence. eek! lol
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 8:24 AM
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Biblestudent- You will have to learn the difference between a literal interpretation of the Bible and a literalist interpretation of the Bible , you translate it in a literist form, which isn't the correct way , an example would be "it's raining cats and dogs outside" the literal meaning from our modern day understanding is that it's raining dog-gone hard outside " while in your literlist form you are expecting to see dogs and cats falling from the clouds , in other words if you could turn back time and use this 20th century jargon and allplied it to their language of that era they would also expect dogs and cats falling from the clouds or sky, and you do the same mistranslation of their true meaning of their writings , in order to understand their translation you must know their customs , literary forms, slang words , genre in the way they were writing, and only the early Church can convey this all to us today through it's Apostolic Succession which contains it's Fullness of understanding Christianity as it was intented to be understood
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 8:26 AM
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Lakota,
The only thing I have to say to you is;
God doesn't have a dark side.
Well, I am not the God expert, but I didn't think so either...at least not a fit God. That is why I don't think he annointed any bad eggs to any positions of power to be ruler in his name, unlike some here on this board, who seem to think a whole string of murderous popes were annointed by God and are his representatives on Earth. See where I am coming from? ( oh, BTW, I didn't think God wanted Bush to be President either, lol)
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 8:34 AM
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Lakota- You said= unlike some here on this board, who seem to think a whole string of murderous popes were annointed by God and are his representatives on Earth. See where I am coming from? Doesn't it also mean that all murderous Generals and Presidents don't represent a Christian Nation as our USA , because that is what you are saying also.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 6:58 PM
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> 42h- Oh yes they are, but you wouldn't recognize them
> because of your new 19th century man- made way of
> interpreting the Bible.like as in cult -like. LOL
That is one possibility. Though, very unlikely as I do not belong to any "man-made" church; including yours.
Another possibility is that I see quite clearly what God intends me to, and it is you who does not recognize what God intends because you are listening to someone else.
But you keep presuming to define what others believe, and it's truth instead of questioning your own faith. It doesn't make for a very Biblical Christian, or Catholic to my understanding. But it seems to make you feel superior. And even though Jesus counseled against such self-image, apparently you need it. So good luck.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 7:41 PM
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raptor- That is only your limited understanding of it all , Jesus also attented His Temple which was also a building , do you suppose at that time maybe there were limited buildings to worship in, but of course you probably forgot it was two-thousand years ago.It doesn't matter where we worship Him , Jesus did organize a Church , one of the first things He did was to select twelve apostles and they were taught a heck of a lot more than your ninety day billie bob ministers who were not ordained the Bible way
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 17, 2008 7:51 PM
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> That is one possibility. Though, very unlikely as I
> do not belong to any "man-made" church; including
> yours.
What is the name your denomination goes by?
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 18, 2008 7:24 PM
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> > That is one possibility. Though, very unlikely
> as I
> > do not belong to any "man-made" church;
> including
> > yours.
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> What is the name your denomination goes by?
Over my life I have found a home in a few non-denominational Christian churches. The organized variety always end up striking me as putting far more energy, thought and effort into having a pissing contest with other Christians than having a personal relationship with God. I will not be judged by any who presume to judge me. And if my heart and mind are sincere, I am confident that God is quite capable and willing to give me the guidance I require. My relationship is not as close with God as it has been at other times in my life. That is my fault. And no association with people who choose to bicker about who "owns" God is going to do anything but damage it further. But I will also tell you that it has been personal and "real" enough that no church is going to tell me I was doing it wrong.
I wish you well.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 18, 2008 7:36 PM
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God's One True Church is Apostolic as Jesus made it Apostolic direct from Pentecost, no other church or cult can trace itself directly back to Jesus and His Apostles, and no other church or churches were involved in selecting the correct Books for the Canon of the NT, and no other church preserved Christianity as His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Catholic Church was formed by Jesus two-thousand years ago and will be here until Jesus reunites with His Catholic Church when He returns , while all the other man-made churches become so watered -down that they will just evaporate into thin air, the process is in operation as we are writing just take alook at all the splintering that is going on
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 18, 2008 7:37 PM
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I want irreputable proof in the form of scripture that states exactly what church was founded , approved and is today Gods chosen church
The body of Christ which are the believers of Christ are the true church
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 18, 2008 7:49 PM
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God's One True Church is Apostolic as Jesus made it Apostolic direct from Pentecost, no other church or cult can trace itself directly back to Jesus and His Apostles,
Your "trace" is dubious and heavily "interpreted". And until God puts you in charge of heaven, your words will not carry the weight you throw then around with.
You have taken a fender that you claim was once touched by Mr. Davidson, built a bike around it, called it a Harley Davidson, and further claimed it to be the ONLY "real" Harley Davidson.
Jesus didn't do a whole bunch of the stuff you do. And he explicitly contradicted other stuff you do. Believe what you want. Puff you chest up all you want. Declare, proclaim, pronounce and lecture all you want. The relationship that Jesus, Moses, Abraham, David, Job, Adam, and on had with God was PERSONAL. So is mine.
Every criticism you make of those "other" churches apply to you as well. Citing minutia as claim that it's "different" when YOU contradict Jesus is transparent and lame. And the droning convinces no one.
Jesus said come into my house. I believe he will have little use for the carnies that stand outside trying to sell maps and tickets.
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Re: What is Gods true church?
Nov 18, 2008 8:01 PM
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You are not Christian . How can u call yourself Christian when you mock the Divinity of Christ , you are a cultist follower of a Mr. Russell
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