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What is Gods true church?

Nov 16, 2008 5:09 PM

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I want irreputable proof in the form of scripture that states exactly what church was founded , approved and is today Gods chosen church. If you think you have an answer, you are wrong. As I stated I want a scripture from any Bible that states the Catholics, Baptist or who ever your team may be, is mentioned.

Too many people here think they are right and the rest of us are wrong. Where does it say we are to name ourselves anything other than christians?

If you cannot meet the chalenge ,stop villifying the rest of the posters here. Be humble and slowly isert your tails between your legs and lets talk about the History of Christianity and what it means to be a christian, something obviously many have forgotten.

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Nov 16, 2008 5:20 PM

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NO one knows for certain.

Especially those who claim they know for certain.

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Hi McD,

"The Kingdom of God is within."

That is where God's church is.

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Nov 16, 2008 5:22 PM

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> NO one knows for certain.
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> Especially those who claim they know for certain.

And that folks is the truth. See even a proclaimed athiest knows the truth far better than most..

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Nov 16, 2008 5:24 PM

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> Hi McD,
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> "The Kingdom of God is within."
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> That is where God's church is.
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> best,
> swampy
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Here is another answer to the Challenge. So far only Swampy and 42h are correct. I have a feeling you guys may be the only ones.

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Nov 16, 2008 6:34 PM

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Mc Dan- If you want proof from the Holy Bible on the Catholic Church being the true Church [which it is] then show me from the Holy Bible the words Holy Bible in the Holy Bible ,until then accept the profound evidence in favor of the Catholic Church over any other of the recent thousand upon thousands of tailor-made churches by many false unbiblically ordained ministers , none of your ministers are ordained the Bible way in case you didn't know it, and not only that not one of those false ministers can trace their ordained lineage directly back to Jesus and His Apostles, what a big sham, only the Catholic Church can trace itself directly back to Jesus and His Apostles along with the Coptic and FOC because they all have legitimate Apostolic Succession and all have the same Doctrine , so answer these two questions [1[ Show me from the Holy Bible the word Bible and [2]-show me where Jesus commissioned mere -men 15oo years later to start a multipilcation of different churches all disagreeing with each other.

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Nov 16, 2008 7:17 PM

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> I want irreputable proof in the form of scripture
> that states exactly what church was founded ,
> approved and is today Gods chosen church. If you
> think you have an answer, you are wrong. As I stated
> I want a scripture from any Bible that states the
> Catholics, Baptist or who ever your team may be, is
> mentioned.

1. Can we agree that it has to have been in existance from the time of Christ?
2. If we can agree on that, then we can start from today and go back in time and start eliminating them one at a time, by name and date.
3. Can we then accept what is left to be God's chosen Church?
4. If we can do that, then the Church being talked about in Scriptures must be that one and you can accept it as proof from the Bible.

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Nov 16, 2008 8:51 PM

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If you need your irreputable proof in the form of scripture then it's a temple, not a church.

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Nov 16, 2008 9:01 PM

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"The kingdom of God is within." Or "The kingdom of God is within your midst" which is a more accurate translation of that scripture. Jesus was not teaching that the kingdom of God is within a person, that is quite contrary to Bible teaching about that kingdom:

(Daniel 2:44) ?And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

That kingdom government is an invisbile one but is real, it has subjects, it has a king, and it has laws. That kingdom, the Bible says is about to come and put and end to all human governments and rule forever, hardly could this be something within someone. This distortion of the truth has mislead many from understanding what the kingdom is.

As far as the true Church is concerned, Jesus said it would not be until the last days that it would become evident who it is (the word from Church can also be translated congregation, and is in no way related to a building. The true Christian Church, or congregation is the anointed while on earth, of whom 144,000 are a part, they come out of every tibe and tongue and nation of the earth. Very little of that number are remaining on earth, most have already received their heavenly reward, and are ruling as kings with Jesus in heaven:

(Revelation 5:9-10) . . .?You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.?

Now as far as who are true Christians the Bible gives several identifying factors:

(1) On what its teachings are based. Are they from the Bible or largely taught by man-made doctrines? Ask for example where does the Bible teach a Trinty, or that the soul is immortal? (See 2 Tim 3:16 and also Mark 7:7)

(2) It makes God's name known throughout the world. Jesus said in prayer to his God: ?I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.? (John 17:6) He declared: ?It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.? (Matt. 4:10) Ask yourself does the religion teach that it is to Jehovah one must worship? Have you come to know Jehovah by his personal name and what that means, for his purposes, and his active qualities, so that it draws you closer to him?

(3) True faith in Jesus Christ is manifest. This includes the appreation for the ransom sacrfice of Jesus' human life and his position as king of God's kingdom in heaven.

(4) Is it largely ritualistic, a formality, or is it a way of life? God strongly disapproves of religion that is merely a formalism. (Isa. 1:15-17) True religion upholds the Bible?s standard of morality and clean speech instead of weakly going along with popular trends. (1 Cor. 5:9-13; Eph. 5:3-5) Its members reflect the fruits of God?s spirit in their lives. (Gal. 5:22, 23) So, those who adhere to true worship can be identified because they sincerely endeavor to apply Bible standards in their lives not only at their places of meeting but in their family life, at their secular work, in school, and in recreation.

(5) Do its members truly love one another? Jesus said: ?By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.? (John 13:35) Such love reaches across racial, social, and national boundaries, drawing people together in genuine brotherhood. So strong is this love that it sets them apart as being truly different. When the nations go to war, who have enough love for their Christian brothers in other lands that they refuse to take up arms and kill them? That is what early Christians did.

(6) Is it truly separate from the world? Jesus said that his true followers would be ?no part of the world.? (John 15:19) To worship God in a manner that he approves requires that we keep ourselves ?without spot from the world.? (Jas. 1:27) Can that be said of those whose clergy and other members are involved in politics, or whose lives are largely built around materialistic and fleshly desires??1 John 2:15-17.

(7) Are its members active witnesses concerning God?s Kingdom? Jesus foretold: ?This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.? (Matt. 24:14) What religion is really proclaiming God?s Kingdom as the hope of mankind instead of encouraging people to look to human rulership to solve their problems? Has your religion equipped you to share in this activity, and to do it from house to house as Jesus taught his apostles to do??Matt. 10:7, 11-13; Acts 5:42; 20:20.

Compare what the Bible teaches with what the religion practices, if you use the Bible as your guide you will not find it hard to determine who really has the truth. And yes, the Bible does say that there is only one way:

(Ephesians 4:4-6) . . .One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], . . .

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Re: What is Gods true church?

Nov 16, 2008 9:17 PM

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"The kingdom of God is within." Or "The kingdom of God is within your midst" which is a more accurate translation of that scripture. Jesus was not teaching that the kingdom of God is within a person, that is quite contrary to Bible teaching about that kingdom:

Vic,
The churches have been teaching this self-glorifying doctrine for so long without any regard for the scriptural doctrine of the Kingdom of God as a reality or basis for faith. They call Jesus Lord and King but have no understanding what his role is.
It's hard to believe that they still teach it, and it only serves to inflate the ego's of their attendees.

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A: One. He just holds it up in the air and the whole world revolves around him.

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Nov 16, 2008 11:10 PM

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Here are a few verses that describe the true church. It isn't an earthly church, but the fellowship of all believers. No earthly church can remove all unbelievers, make members of all believers, or tell them apart. Only God can know our hearts, only God can know who will turn to him, who will not, and who will turn away from him. Christian churches on earth include believers and unbelievers. Some may be in one church, some in another, but all believers belong to the same true church, the bride of Christ.

Matthew 5
1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

mATTHEW 18: 19"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."

Romans 14
17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,

.1John 1
3We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4We write this to make our joy complete.
5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

2 Corinthians 6
14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

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Nov 17, 2008 12:51 AM

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I want irreputable proof in the form of scripture that states exactly what church was founded , approved and is today Gods chosen church. If you think you have an answer, you are wrong. As I stated I want a scripture from any Bible that states the Catholics, Baptist or who ever your team may be, is mentioned.

What is this, some kind of ploy? I suspect you're looking for some kind of argument. It doesn't sound like you're sincere.

The Church isn't a building or structure, Sunday school kindergarten children know this. But they are believers who are literally the Church, that assemble in these structures. Jesus is the Head and believers are His Body. Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together. Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there Am I in the midst of them. You could gather together in a cotton field, in prison, atop MT Kilimanjaro, Jesus is in the midst.

So if you're trying to single out one single entity or group or building, then you miss the point of what Jesus was talking about when He said "if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight." Jesus is speaking of a belief system of which is invisible but of believers who Trust in Him. The physical is atrophied or helpless when it comes down to His Church.

Succinctly put, you can destroy the physical body but not the belief system. Jesus is coming back for the believers who make up the Body of Christ. Have you not read in Jesus` Own Words : "when the Son of man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?" Obviously building structures, cathedrals, palaces, mansions, inanimate objects certainly doesn't contain "faith."

Subsequently believers has to be the Church.

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Nov 17, 2008 3:56 AM

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EWB- Then thats why you people are still in the dark, because you never did scr&w in the light bulb

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Nov 17, 2008 5:37 AM

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none of your ministers are ordained the Bible way in case you didn't know it,

And none of YOUR baptisms, confession, communion, "service", prayer to dead people, stratifying of sainthood, and many other practices are done the "Bible" wayh, in case YOU want to apply logic CORRECTLY; which until now, you don't.

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Nov 17, 2008 5:40 AM

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EWB- Then thats why you people are still in the dark, because you never did scr&w in the light bulb

That may be true. Of course it was the Pope and not Jesus who told you to sc@w it in. EWB might be distracted, listening to Jesus. Jesus told us our light is given by God, not by following the instructions of your Pope.

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