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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
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It's all about to hit the fan. Look for a near future meltdown/crash of stock market. Further derioration of global financial markets. The bank meltdown has already come.
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(Jeremiah 31:34) . . .?And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ?KNOW Jehovah!? for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,? is the utterance of Jehovah.?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 12:39 PM
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I used to be a Libertarian. I voted for Lyndon LaRouche.
Have you read Robert Ringer's books?
Lord help us all.
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 12:40 PM
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It's all about to hit the fan. Look for a near future meltdown/crash of stock market. Further derioration of global financial markets. The bank meltdown has already come.
Light up that bonfire! Gather up the kiddies!
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 1:57 PM
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Haha, finally got me to take you off ignore.
How would you like to see a DOW at 3000?
A year ago it was at what? 14,000. It's already at 7,100. It's a big mess.
A year ago when this was posted most people would have just argued. Actually I was posting a year ago about this, and everyone was arguing with me. Now there is just silence, and the occasional blathering.
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(Jeremiah 31:34) . . . And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, KNOW Jehovah! for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them, is the utterance of Jehovah.
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 2:01 PM
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I remember when it hit 3,000 on the uptick.
Wasn't so long ago.
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 2:04 PM
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What will you do next year when all this is fixed?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 2:25 PM
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You really don't understand. You will eventually.
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(Jeremiah 31:34) . . .?And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ?KNOW Jehovah!? for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,? is the utterance of Jehovah.?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 2:27 PM
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Ooohhh, light that bonfire!
As a brief aside, Vic, could I get you to tell me the story about invisible Jesus showing up in 1914, or was it 1918?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 3:05 PM
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Sure, actually I was thinking of doing a video about the date 1914. That'll give me motivation to get to it quicker.
Anway...
Jesus' diciplies asked him:
(Matthew 24:3) While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: ?Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things??
The word presence comes from the root work Parousia, and literally means "in your midst." Come verions translate that "comeing" but that is not what is meant. The diciplies wanted to know when Jesus kingdom prescence would be established. Jesus later went on to give a list of signs to show that mankind had entered into the time of the end or last days.
Some people may ask why if the time of the end started in 1914, are we still here. They fail to neglect the fact that the Bible stated that this would not be a single day or hour, it is a conclusion to this system of things. Even watching a movie, a conclusion takes time, and then there is an end to the to the movie. Thus the conclusion of the system of things would be a certain time period, and the beginning of that time would be the establishment of Jesus kingdom government in the heavens.
Jesus is an immortal spirit being ruling from heaven. So obviously he is invisible, just as the other angels in haven and God himself are. Spirits cannot be seen, just as the wind cannot be seen. But their effects are very evident.
But first off let us see what the Bible tells us about when the end had begun, and also find evidence of this on earth.
In a vision given to Daniel we read:
(Daniel 4:13-17) . . .??I continued beholding in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, look! a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens themselves. 14 He was calling out loudly, and this is what he was saying: ?CHOP the tree down, and cut off its boughs. SHAKE off its foliage, and scatter its fruitage. Let the beast flee from under it, and the birds from its boughs. 15 However, LEAVE its rootstock itself in the earth, even with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the field; and with the dew of the heavens let it be wet, and with the beast let its portion be among the vegetation of the earth. 16 Let its heart be changed from that of mankind, and let the heart of a beast be given to it, and let seven times pass over it. 17 By the decree of watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind.?
In this vision Jehovah used king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon as the type in this prophetic drama. Jehovah can set up a king over the earth whom his will pleases. Now from the beginning, before the founding of the world, it had been decreed that God would bring about an administration at the appointed time, to bring all things together again, the things in heaven and those on earth.
Jehovah gave a promise to King David of Israel, of the tribe of Judah, that someone in his royal line would rule forever:
(Psalm 89:3-5) 3 ?I have concluded a covenant toward my chosen one; I have sworn to David my servant, 4 ?Even to time indefinite I shall firmly establish your seed, And I will build your throne to generation after generation.?? Se′lah. 5 And the heavens will laud your marvelous act, O Jehovah,. . .
The royal line of David ruled in Jerusalem, and the king who sat on the throne represented Jehovah himself on earth:
(1 Chronicles 29:23) . . .And Sol′o‧mon began to sit upon Jehovah?s throne as king in place of David his father and to make a success of it, and all the Israelites were obedient to him. . .
But Jehovah did not have a king sit on his throne for too long while on earth, for the Israelites were wicked. Thus he prophezed this concerning them:
(Ezekiel 21:25-27) 25 ?And as for you, O deadly wounded, wicked chieftain of Israel, whose day has come in the time of the error of [the] end, 26 this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ?Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. This will not be the same. Put on high even what is low, and bring low even the high one. 27 A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no [one?s] until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give [it] to him.?
Jehovah promised a period of time that human rule would reign on earth without the represenation of Jehovah's government. That time period began when kingd Nebbedchanezzer (by Jehovah's will) captured Jerusalem in 607 B. C. E. and removed the king from the line of David. After that another human king never sat down upon the throne. But Jehovah promised David that his line would rule forever.
Jehovah stipulated 7 times until the kingdom would be reestablished, when he who had the legal right would take possession fo the kingdom. How long are seven times?
In Revelation we are given the answer. There we are told:
(Revelation 12:6) . . .And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days.
And:
(Revelation 12:13-14) 13 Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman that gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
A time is 1, times is 2 and a half is 1/2 thus 3 1/2 times - 1,260 days. Twice this number is 7 times, or 2,520. (which if you equal it out equals 360 days per year. The lunar month on the Jewish calender.)
So after seven times or 2,520, the rulership would be established.
Useing the Biblical formual "a day for a year" we are actually looking at 2,520 years from the year 607 B. C. E. when the king was supplanted from Jehovah's throne, this time period was known as the "times of the gentiles" that is the time that human rule would be permitted without Jehovah having a king to represent himself.
Jesus came to earth and was born of the line of David. Of this the historic facts were written in the Gospels. Thus he attained the legal right, being of David's line, to claim the throne.
Yet while on earth Jesus did not try to grab for power at that time, for he knew that the 7 times had yet to be finished, while on earth he said:
(Luke 21:24) . . and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
And again after his ressurection and before his accesion to heaven, after his apostles asked him he was then going to claim kingdom power as the heir to the throne at that time:
(Acts 1:6-7) . . .When, now, they had assembled, they went asking him: ?Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?? 7 He said to them: ?It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction;
Jesus understood that the times of the gentiles or nations had not come to pass yet.
There is no year 0, (the romans did not have a year 0) so we count from 1 B. C. E. to 1 C. E.
From 607 B. C. E. to 1 C. E. 606 years passed. That left 1,914 years more to fulfill the 2,520 years.
Thus in 1914 C. E. Jesus was crowed in heaven as the rightful heir to the throne of David. There Daniel saw this coronation in a vision and we are told about it:
(Daniel 7:13-14) . . .?I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.
The Ancinet of Days is, of course, Jehovah God. Jesus himself said he was the son of man. So we see Jesus gaining access to the prescence of Jehovah and being given the rulership and dignity and kingdom. This is done in heaven away from human eyes. This happened in 1914. We know that Jesus began to rule in heaven, even while human rulers still reigned and that they would resist his heavenly kingdom government. Thus the prophecy at Psalms 110:1:
(Psalm 110:1-2) . . .The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: ?Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.? 2 The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] ?Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.?
Jehovah told Jesus to sit at his right hand (after he ascended back into the spirit realm in heaven as an invisible spirit) and then he would go subduing in the midst of his enemies. In fact Jehovah tells us in prophecy what happened in 1914 when Jesus was crowned king (this prophecy was also fulfilled while he was on earth and the religious leaders conspired with the poltiical authorities to put Jesus to death):
(Psalm 2:1-9) . . .Why have the nations been in tumult And the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing? 2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one, 3 [Saying:] ?Let us tear their bands apart And cast their cords away from us!? 4 The very One sitting in the heavens will laugh; Jehovah himself will hold them in derision. 5 At that time he will speak to them in his anger And in his hot displeasure he will disturb them, 6 [Saying:] ?I, even I, have installed my king Upon Zion, my holy mountain.? 7 Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: ?You are my son; I, today, I have become your father. 8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession. 9 You will break them with an iron scepter, As though a potter?s vessel you will dash them to pieces.?
In 1914 Jesus indeed became king and began to rule in the midst of his enemies. As proof we have the Biblical formual pinpointing the exact date. Not only that Jesus fortold certain things would happen that have been fulfilled since that time in Matthew 24.
Also, please note the the time of the end would have to go on long enough for ridiculers to come and mock Jehovah's prophecies and his doings:
(2 Peter 3:3-4) . . .For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4 and saying: ?Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation?s beginning.?
The promised prescene is here, but these unreasnoing men cannot see it, for they have no spiritual eyes to see it:
(1 Corinthians 2:14) 14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually.
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(Jeremiah 31:34) . . .?And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ?KNOW Jehovah!? for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,? is the utterance of Jehovah.?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 3:06 PM
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Why invisible? He didn't do that the first time.
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 3:13 PM
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You obviously did not read the post. I just reread it, and you answered it half-way through my reading of my own post.
Go back and read it if you want the answer, it is explained. Which I doubt you want an answer. And as such, I leave that for honest hearted persons.
You should check out the last scripture I left the in the post. It explains quite well the attitude. Oh, back on ignore.
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(Jeremiah 31:34) . . .?And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ?KNOW Jehovah!? for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,? is the utterance of Jehovah.?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
Feb 23, 2009 3:20 PM
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Jesus is an immortal spirit being ruling from heaven. So obviously he is invisible, just as the other angels in haven and God himself are. Spirits cannot be seen, just as the wind cannot be seen. But their effects are very evident.
As an aside, Jesus ascended bodily into Heaven. You know, flesh and blood. Although Karen Carpenter came close, there are no see-through people. Try again. This time, talk sense, not mystical mumbo-jumbo that someone else brainwashed you with.
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
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From Wirey
> Jesus is an immortal spirit being ruling from
> heaven. So obviously he is invisible, just as the
> other angels in haven and God himself are. Spirits
> cannot be seen, just as the wind cannot be seen. But
> their effects are very evident.
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> As an aside, Jesus ascended bodily into Heaven. You
> know, flesh and blood. Although Karen Carpenter came
> close, there are no see-through people. Try again.
> This time, talk sense, not mystical mumbo-jumbo that
> t someone else brainwashed you with.
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> I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the
> state-appointed shrink is our friend.
There, now you can read it. Care to respond? Or would you rather keep your eyes squeezed real tight?
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Re: The Last Contango in Washington - For EWB
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Ancient I am not a spirit so I cannot see what goes on in the spirit world. Fortunitly we have Jehovah God the ruler of the spirit world and the Creator of all things, that tells us the truth about these things.
First of all the Bible tells us explicitly that "flesh and blood" that is a fleshly, coporal being, cannot enter into the heavenly realm:
(1 Corinthians 15:50) . . .However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God?s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
This truth means that Jesus did not enter into the heavenly realm with a physical body.
But the scriptures say he ascended into heaven with a human body right?
Actually Jesus was resurrected a spirit being. The ability of angels to materlize human bodies was written in the Bible all the way from Genesis before the flood when angel sons of God came from from their spirit realm and materlized human bodies to take women and procreate with them.
There are also other examples in the Bible where spirit beings took on human form and appeared to certain ones of God's people.
After Jesus' ressurection he too, took on a human form and appeared to his disciplies. We know that it wasn't the same body he died in, how? Because they did not even recoginze him:
(Luke 24:15-16, 30, 31.) . . .Now as they were conversing and discussing, Jesus himself approached and began walking with them; 16 but their eyes were kept from recognizing him....And as he was reclining with them at the meal he took the loaf, blessed it, broke it and began to hand it to them. 31 At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; and he disappeared from them.
Here is an account telling us that Jesus materllzed a human form and appeared to his apostles, they did not know it was him. It was not until he had walked with them and talked with him, that they discerned that this was Jesus, and then he DISAPPEARED from them. That is he went back into the spirit realm.
He also appeared to his diciples when they were in a locked room. They were in a room, it was locked, no one could physically get in, but he appeared in the middle of them:
(John 20:26) . . . Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: ?May YOU have peace.?
The reason why Jesus was able to appear in the middle of a locked room, was because he was a spirit not a physical man at that time.
The Bible even tells us that the spirit Jesus MANIFESTED himself to his apostles:
(John 21:1) . . .After these things Jesus manifested himself again to the disciples at the sea of Ti‧be′ri‧as; but he made the manifestation in this way.
When Jesus ascended into heaven, a human cannot fly, nor can a human body enter into outter space and continue to live. Jesus obviously manifested a human form to his disciples as he ascended into heaven until he was out of view. After that he must have returned into the spirit realm where he then traveled to where his heavenly spirit Father Jehovah, and the heavenly realm exist.
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(Jeremiah 31:34) . . .?And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ?KNOW Jehovah!? for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,? is the utterance of Jehovah.?
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