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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 2:46 PM
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But you sure can blame the white people for bringing slavery and diseases to foreign lands. How does that spark your ego? 
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 4:15 PM
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hold on Gus. Blame implies culpability. How can someone be culpable for something the no nothing about? The Eurpoeans had no idea why they got diseases much less that they were bringing diseases to people who had never had them. The Americas were not disease free. The Europeans just brought new diseases and were more likely to have a stronger immunity because they had been exposed to so many before the got to America.
Slavery was not unknown in the New World. The Meso-Americans had slaves as did the South Americans. Slavery was less common in North America but not unknown. Slavery was endemic in the Old world. As the Europeans moved out in the world they took over the slave trade in west Africa from the Muslims who were sending the salves to north Africa and Asia. By the way, neither the Europeans or the Muslims actually caputred the slaves. They were sold by other black Africans. The more powerful groups made a nice living by raiding their weaker neighbors and selling the to the highest bidder.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 4:20 PM
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hold on Gus. Blame implies culpability. How can someone be culpable for something the no nothing about? The Eurpoeans had no idea why they got diseases much less that they were bringing diseases to people who had never had them. The Americas were not disease free. The Europeans just brought new diseases and were more likely to have a stronger immunity because they had been exposed to so many before the got to America.
Slavery was not unknown in the New World. The Meso-Americans had slaves as did the South Americans. Slavery was less common in North America but not unknown. Slavery was endemic in the Old world. As the Europeans moved out in the world they took over the slave trade in west Africa from the Muslims who were sending the salves to north Africa and Asia. By the way, neither the Europeans or the Muslims actually caputred the slaves. They were sold by other black Africans. The more powerful groups made a nice living by raiding their weaker neighbors and selling the to the highest bidder.
Indeed you are correct,my error on slavery,I should have known better. However, Europeans did bring diseases to the Americas killing 90% of the population.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 4:29 PM
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> Indeed you are correct,my error on slavery,I should
> have known better. However, Europeans did bring
> diseases to the Americas killing 90% of the
> population.
No. It was really a worldwide conspiracy by the predecessors of my man, the Flannel Pimp !:
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 5:04 PM
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> Slavery was not unknown in the New World. The
> Meso-Americans had slaves as did the South Americans.
> Slavery was less common in North America but not
> unknown. Slavery was endemic in the Old world. As the
> Europeans moved out in the world they took over the
> slave trade in west Africa from the Muslims who were
> sending the salves to north Africa and Asia. By the
> way, neither the Europeans or the Muslims actually
> caputred the slaves. They were sold by other black
> Africans. The more powerful groups made a nice living
> by raiding their weaker neighbors and selling the to
> the highest bidder.
I would argue that Native Americans had a very different form of slavery than the institutional plantation slavery practiced in the Americas. They were taken as domestic slaves, not for commercial or agricultural purposes as Africans were. Manumission was Common in Native America societies, and most slaves were women and children.
I also think the Portuguese initially bypassed most of the Muslim slave trade altogether by frequenting the West Coast of Africa. The Muslim northeastern routes rarely trafficked more than 10,000 a year. By 1780, the American slave traffic reached 75,000 per year.
In Central and South America, slaves were freed at such a high rate by the 1850s, than there was a net loss of slaves for more than a decade in those regions. More free blacks were born in Brazil and Cuba than the number of slaves imported. In the United States, it was the exact opposite. The birth rate of slaves were much higher than freed men producing a net gain of more slaves every year.
The Atlantic slave trade moved an estimated 11 million people making it the largest long-distance migration of people in history.
In regards to your comment on the selling of slaves, the European slave market would become so great by the 19th century, that the market itself would help create African tribal wars with the idea that selling captive slaves would bring wealth to the victors.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 8:30 PM
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Seemingly most all cultures from history have had slaves. Some of these, well at least the Hebrews under the Mosaic Law, had humane laws regarding how to deal with these populations of slaves.
We have them today on the good old US of A. They are called middle class or working class Americans.
But we have no laws to allow release of our slaves in the seventh year.
No, our rulers would rather break our backs until we die, and then tax our offspring for the liability of our death.
How fine it is to live in such an enlightened society.
A slave in our society is an employee.
The land owners are who they are. They are the employers. They are the Lords and Masters in today's society.
Slavery has not been done away with, it has merely changed its name and incorporated many of its former father's offspring as perpetual slaves.
All hail the Prince of Democracy, that greatest of liars, the Mightiest of Killers.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 8:35 PM
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>>> A slave in our society is an employee.
### Hire an employee & try treating him (her?) like a slave.
Then you'll discover the difference.....& how ridiculous your claim is.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 8:42 PM
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> >>> A slave in our society is an employee.
> ### Hire an employee & try treating him (her?) like a
> slave.
> Then you'll discover the difference.....& how
> ridiculous your claim is.
You obviously have a better job than I do, Ridiculous Man.
Can you afford to buy your freedom?
How much did it cost?
Oh, you can't buy it?
Well, welcome home, dreamer.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 5, 2009 8:53 PM
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Although I couldn't stand any tv program he was involved in, including Fat Albert, he told a very harsh, unwelcome, truth.
"Cosby's black-negative assesments could, as some pointed out, serve confirmations long sought by racists of their view that African Americans are incapable of helping themselves..."
Given your past comments on other subjects, I suspect this is closest to your motivations for your post than anything else.
Although I applaud Mr. Cosby's comments, I question your sincerity in bringing them to the fore.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 6, 2009 4:02 AM
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They author of the article sure nailed it down for EWB with this statement:
“Cosby’s black-negative assessments could, as some have pointed out, serve as confirmations long sought by racists or their view that African-Americans are inherently incapable of helping themselves, which they would hold up as proof of their theory of black genetic inferiority.”
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 6, 2009 4:04 AM
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Great minds think alike...well, except when it comes to anti-zombitism. 
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 6, 2009 4:37 AM
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> They author of the article sure nailed it down for
> EWB with this statement:
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> “Cosby’s black-negative assessments could, as some
> have pointed out, serve as confirmations long sought
> by racists or their view that African-Americans are
> inherently incapable of helping themselves, which
> they would hold up as proof of their theory of black
> genetic inferiority.”
That's exactly right.
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Nov 6, 2009 9:45 AM
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They poofed the posts wherein we made up.
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Re: "We Can't Blame White People"
Nov 6, 2009 5:49 PM
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> “Cosby’s black-negative assessments could, as some
> have pointed out, serve as confirmations long sought
> by racists or their view that African-Americans are
> inherently incapable of helping themselves, which
> they would hold up as proof of their theory of black
> genetic inferiority.”
Only a racist would see it that way. The rest of us know very well that black people are as capable of helping themselves as any race. Now if only the libs would get out of the way and let them do just that.
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