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Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 2:08 PM
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Galatians 3:26-28
Sons of God
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
I have seen much ignorance from some contributors here concerning the Apostle Paul. I used his own words to leave the likes of AM and Awoon, embarrassed for their claims. I seen Lakota and Kali go on about him, knowing nothing of his writing. I have read and pointed out to others in classes, the things we see as Paul's dysangelism are in fact old testament teachings, gospel teaching and interpreted adaptations by the later church.
Misogynist?
Romans 16 1-2
Personal Greetings
1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant (*)of the church in Cenchrea.
2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people, including me.
(*) The earliest texts of this, as written by Paul, read deaconess.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 3:26 PM
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Apparently they do for some people, especially when you don't quote enough verses!
(Darby Version)
Galatians 3
22but the scripture has shut up all things under sin, that the promise, on the principle of faith of Jesus Christ, should be given to those that believe. 23But before faith came, we were guarded under law, shut up to faith which was about to be revealed. 24So that the law has been our tutor up to Christ, that we might be justified on the principle of faith. 25But, faith having come, we are no longer under a tutor; 26for ye are all God's sons by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For ye, as many as have been baptised unto Christ, have put on Christ. 28There is no Jew nor Greek; there is no bondman nor freeman; there is no male and female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus:
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
Galatians 3:26:
26-29 Real Christians enjoy great privileges under the gospel; and are no longer accounted servants, but sons; not now kept at such a distance, and under such restraints as the Jews were. Having accepted Christ Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, and relying on him alone for justification and salvation, they become the sons of God. But no outward forms or profession can secure these blessings; for if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. In baptism we put on Christ; therein we profess to be his disciples. Being baptized into Christ, we are baptized into his death, that as he died and rose again, so we should die unto sin, and walk in newness and holiness of life. The putting on of Christ according to the gospel, consists not in outward imitation, but in a new birth, an entire change. He who makes believers to be heirs, will provide for them. Therefore our care must be to do the duties that belong to us, and all other cares we must cast upon God. And our special care must be for heaven; the things of this life are but trifles. The city of God in heaven, is the portion or child's part. Seek to be sure of that above all things.
Sons of God, yes, but not equal to THE Son of God
You really like to put a spin on Scripture don't you?
Romans 16
1But I commend to you Phoebe, our sister, who is minister of the assembly which is in Cenchrea; 2that ye may receive her in the Lord worthily of saints, and that ye may assist her in whatever matter she has need of you; for *she* also has been a helper of many, and of myself. 3Salute Prisca and Aquila, my fellow-workmen in Christ Jesus, 4(who for my life staked their own neck; to whom not *I* only am thankful, but also all the assemblies of the nations,) 5and the assembly at their house. Salute Epaenetus, my beloved, who is the first-fruits of Asia for Christ
again, Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary:
Romans 16:1:
1-16 Paul recommends Phebe to the Christians at Rome. It becomes Christians to help one another in their affairs, especially strangers; we know not what help we may need ourselves. Paul asks help for one that had been helpful to many; he that watereth shall be watered also himself. Though the care of all the churches came upon him daily, yet he could remember many persons, and send salutations to each, with particular characters of them, and express concern for them. Lest any should feel themselves hurt, as if Paul had forgotten them, he sends his remembrances to the rest, as brethren and saints, though not named. He adds, in the close, a general salutation to them all, in the name of the churches of Christ.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/Messianic-Judaism.html
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 3:39 PM
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Without refering to M. Henery, what do mean by the following
>>>"Sons of God, yes, but not equal to THE Son of God
You really like to put a spin on Scripture don't you?
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I am simply addressing what Paul said about women, as a sample of Paul's own words, to those who say he hated women.. You think I mean something else? Then you should say that, so I do not have to guess what you mean.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:14 PM
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I said Paul was a misosgyist?
Paul taught the culture of his day, 2000yrs ago.
Women, SHUT UP in church.
Today I say let em YAP all they want to.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:25 PM
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no you did not say that, "I said Paul was a misosgyist?" ....
It was another thing that you denied Paul. I don't think that you dislike women, ala contre, you probably like them alot. I forgot what the details were, but we have a disagreement about Paul. It may have had something to do with reference to the gospels, that you did not think Paul was in accord with.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:27 PM
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Well I always say, "why would anyone need Paul's words when you have Jesus' words?"
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:34 PM
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Yes, it something like that along those lines ....
I used to say that as well. Yet James would have had us all become Jews, it was Paul's teachings that emphasized the uniqueness of the teachings. Others would have us believe that we in our skins as we are are forever, Paul teachs, we don't know.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:38 PM
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Either Jesus' words are all one needs or they are not enough.
Simple as that.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:42 PM
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> Either Jesus' words are all one needs or they are not
> enough.
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> Simple as that.
What d'you know about Lawyers?
You could have just ONE law and it'd take a thousand Lawyers to interpret it and legislate it and implement it and tax it. Paul was a Lawyer. That the words that Jesus spoke only required one Lawyer is really quite a statement, I think.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 4:53 PM
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Phoebe, and other women, actually paid for Paul's journeys and supported him. Don't think he actually did any WORK to support himself, do you? The church never would have happened if women hadn't been the chief followers and contributors. And you know, you always give a nice reception and a rubber-chicken banquet to the donors.
Still, Phoebe wouldn't be allowed by Paul to preach in church, or to ask questions - would she? (Unless here Paul is actually admitting that women WERE disciples and teachers, on an equal footing with the male disciples....)
Paul is talking about peoples' equality IN HEAVEN, on a soul level - NOT on earth, where there were indeed status differences between slave and free, male and female.
Surely you must understand that.
It isn't hard to understand Paul. When he calls a woman's (but not a man's) mind "a temple above a sewer', it sort of clues you in to his misogyny. And quite likely, his homosexuality.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 5:02 PM
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> Phoebe, and other women, actually paid for Paul's
> journeys and supported him. Don't think he actually
> did any WORK to support himself, do you? The
> church never would have happened if women hadn't been
> the chief followers and contributors. And you know,
> you always give a nice reception and a rubber-chicken
> banquet to the donors.
>
> Still, Phoebe wouldn't be allowed by Paul to preach
> in church, or to ask questions - would she? (Unless
> here Paul is actually admitting that women WERE
> disciples and teachers, on an equal footing with the
> male disciples....)
>
> Paul is talking about peoples' equality IN HEAVEN,
> on a soul level - NOT on earth, where there were
> e indeed status differences between slave and free,
> male and female.
> Surely you must understand that.
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> It isn't hard to understand Paul. When he calls a
> woman's (but not a man's) mind "a temple above a
> sewer', it sort of clues you in to his misogyny.
> And quite likely, his homosexuality.
I thought paul made tents and shlt. Was that not true?
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 5:06 PM
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You do know which books are known to be Paul's, thought to be written by Paul's scribes, and suspected to just have Paul's name on them, don't you?
As to Phoebe, she did teach and she stood by Paul in Corinth, and yes in Corinth he tells women to shut up. But you have remember he is talking to many in these letters and the troubles both many and varied. He is also not with out a sense of humor as I think, somewhere there he also threatens the elders with a shovel.
He also did work. He was a tent maker. Christ coincidently a carpenter ... ironic, huh? The Skin and bones.
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 5:40 PM
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> You do know which books are known to be Paul's,
> thought to be written by Paul's scribes, and
> suspected to just have Paul's name on them, don't
> you?
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> As to Phoebe, she did teach and she stood by Paul in
> Corinth, and yes in Corinth he tells women to shut
> up. But you have remember he is talking to many in
> these letters and the troubles both many and varied.
> He is also not with out a sense of humor as I think,
> , somewhere there he also threatens the elders with a
> shovel.
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> He also did work. He was a tent maker. Christ
> coincidently a carpenter ... ironic, huh? The Skin
> and bones.
Wasn't that the Skull and Bones?
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 5:51 PM
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You caught that, huh.... B-}
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Re: Paul needs no interpretation with these words.
Nov 1, 2009 6:14 PM
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> You caught that, huh.... B-}
Skins and Shirts!
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