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Re: Let live only your Witch
Jul 2, 2009 7:30 AM
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> Only the witches (mediums) of Israel were allowed to
> live?
Just the opposite, only those in Israel were not allowed to live.
> The "Witch" (medium) of Endor successfully channeled
> Samuel for Saul.
>
> Some readers of scriptures wonder how the woman of
> Endor , who was supposed to be a witch or false
> medium, could bring the prophet of God to have an
> audience with Saul. No evil person could contact the
> holy prophet Samuel. The prophecy of Samuel through
> the medium was accurate.
>
> The phenomona of communing with people far away or
> with those who have died is practiced in countries
> all over the world.
God commanded His people not to do this.
1 Samuel 15
23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
he has rejected you as king."
Before he died, Samuel prophesied Saul's defeat in 1 Samuel 15. Saul's visit to the witch was just one more rebellion against God. He trusted the word of a witch over the word of God's prophet, and he got the same message from the witch and the prophet.
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Re: Let live only your Witch
Jul 2, 2009 9:55 AM
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> > Only the witches (mediums) of Israel were
> allowed to
> > live?
>
> Just the opposite, only those in Israel were not
> allowed to live.
>
> > The "Witch" (medium) of Endor successfully
> channeled
> > Samuel for Saul.
> >
> > Some readers of scriptures wonder how the woman
> of
> > Endor , who was supposed to be a witch or false
> > medium, could bring the prophet of God to have
> an
> > audience with Saul. No evil person could contact
> the
> > holy prophet Samuel. The prophecy of Samuel
> through
> > the medium was accurate.
> >
> > The phenomona of communing with people far away
> or
> > with those who have died is practiced in
> countries
> > all over the world.
>
> God commanded His people not to do this.
>
> 1 Samuel 15
> 23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
> and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
> Because you have rejected the word of the
> of the LORD,
> he has rejected you as king."
>
> Before he died, Samuel prophesied Saul's defeat in 1
> Samuel 15. Saul's visit to the witch was just one
> more rebellion against God. He trusted the word of a
> witch over the word of God's prophet, and he got the
> same message from the witch and the prophet.
>
> --
> I will defend to the death your right to offend me.
Amazing how the "witch" tapped into God and gave Saul the same answer.
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Re: Let live only your Witch
Jul 2, 2009 10:10 AM
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cog
>> Before he died, Samuel prophesied Saul's defeat in 1 Samuel 15.<<
It is easy to claim to have "prophesizied" when the story is written after the events took place. More revealing is 1 Samuel 15:10 where the alleged Lord god of Israel admits to making a mistake, thus showing that he is not "perfect".
1 Samuel 15:10 Now the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying, 11 “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.”
Tellurian
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 1:24 PM
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Why would they do that if,
as you say, "they knew better"? - Tellurian
In the same way that you know better
than to deny the God that made you.
It's not at all sophosticated.
Awoon, as far as the witch 'contacting' anybody,
what happened was one of two things. She was
given a glimpse of a demonic spirit that was
the sort of being that mediums actually are fooled
by, or she was given a glimpse at the real deal
& it horrified her to see the condition of
mans spirit in the raw.
I think she saw the reality of her past
'contacts' by way of a demonic spirit.
I can't be absolute but I just don't think
that God has ever, or will ever allow
actuall contact to the deceased no matter
where they've gone off to.
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 1:30 PM
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God made it clear that to look upon Him
was to die so I don't think it's far fetched
to imagine being shocked to smithereens
if given a glimpse of a spirit either way.
At least not for a phoney spiritualist like a
witch.
I can almost hear her now. "Nobody ever told
me that it's real, over there!!"
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Re: Christians killing and mutilating children
Jul 2, 2009 1:46 PM
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Child - you can't get away with saying that people who do bad things "are not really Christian". YES THEY ARE. Anyone who declares himself a Christian, IS one. The church doesn't have a membership test; it's self-chosen. And Christianity, by peddling these Scriptures about witches, has DIRECTLY caused the deaths of people supposed to be witches, or different in some way, or psychic, or good with herbs, yada yada yada.
You all have murder on your hands. If these guys aren't "Christian" - well, why haven't the leaders of Christianity gone there and told all the people that this is wrong and that the Bishop isn't a Christian? Huh? You have the obligation of policing yourself, since you are a special-interest group,= or we'll police you.
I have heard quite enough from you , trying to escape the responsibility of what your faith espouses. YOUR faith is responsible for killing people, right here and right now. So - stop it, or leave your faith, or accept the fact that you condone this murder. No other choices exist.
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 1:56 PM
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Tony Baloney - excuse me, but isn't the entire claim of Christianity that God allowed people (apostles) to see the spirit of a dead man?????
Well, if it can't be done, too bad for the basis of your faith.
And it is really odd that Jesus, risen, didn't look anything like the man the disciples knew. Not at all. But oh, how they wanted to believe! "Coulda been Christ, couldn't it?"
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Re: Christians killing and mutilating children
Jul 2, 2009 5:04 PM
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> Child - you can't get away with saying that people
> who do bad things "are not really Christian". YES
> THEY ARE. Anyone who declares himself a Christian,
> IS one. The church doesn't have a membership test;
Actually there is a membership test. It has to do with the spiritual fruits they produce. I am not talking about regular sins, the things Christians do, knowing that it's wrong, and against what they believe in. It's the things they profess to believe, teach others, and do as a RESULT of their religious beliefs. These people are not Christians, but have adopted bits of Christianity into their tribal religion, which includes witchcraft. Watch #2 in the series, it explains a little of the bastardized religion of the area.
http://defendingcontending.com/2008/12/01/charismania-unrestrained-africas-witch-children/
> it's self-chosen. And Christianity, by peddling
> g these Scriptures about witches, has DIRECTLY
> caused the deaths of people supposed to be witches,
> or different in some way, or psychic, or good with
> h herbs, yada yada yada.
There are people who are NOT Christians, who claim to be, in order to prey on the naive, take their money, and control them.
> You all have murder on your hands. If these guys
> aren't "Christian" - well, why haven't the leaders of
> Christianity gone there and told all the people that
> this is wrong and that the Bishop isn't a Christian?
> Huh? You have the obligation of policing yourself,
> , since you are a special-interest group,= or we'll
> police you.
There is obviously a desperate need for missionaries. I am not sure why there are so few.
> I have heard quite enough from you , trying to escape
> the responsibility of what your faith espouses. YOUR
> faith is responsible for killing people, right here
> and right now. So - stop it, or leave your faith,
> or accept the fact that you condone this murder.
> . No other choices exist.
No, my faith isn't responsible for causing this horror. My faith is responsible for doing something to stop it. I have already emailed a link to my pastor.
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 6:32 PM
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Sure, telly, Just like abortion, where "expel" is a death sentence. You understand NOTHING about Christianity.
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 6:33 PM
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You may be right.
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 6:35 PM
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Sorry, Kallista, but He wasn't dead anymore. The miraculous thing was that He was alive, not just back in spirit.
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 6:36 PM
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> I can almost hear her now. "Nobody ever told
> me that it's real, over there!!"
Her and Telly
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Re: Exodus 22:18 Witch Commandment
Jul 2, 2009 6:43 PM
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Thousands of Christian parents mutilated and killed their children, or had their church leaders do it for them "in the name of Jesus Christ". Why would they do that if, as you say, "they knew better"?
I happen to have knowledge that there are or were a few 'dark' communities of the Amish. And if a child was born with any deformity, especially one that would keep them from pulling their weight when older, they were murdered and buried and NO record of them was ever kept. No police have ever investigated this.
Would you say that the Amish were not Christians?
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