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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Sep 16, 2008 3:23 PM
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well i don't know much of that topic but you have to remember that patton rescue a lot of soldiers in the battle of the bulge i think he save regiments
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Sep 16, 2008 3:27 PM
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i would have to agreed with you hitler inspired people when he talked i got to give him that
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Sep 30, 2008 11:19 AM
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Hitler was a complete failure. How anyone can label him as a great military commander is beyoond me. He bit of much more than he could chew, attacked countries that he had been allied with who he could never beat, and when all was said and done the country of this "great military leader" no longer existed.
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the art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected.- Sun Tzu
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Oct 6, 2008 2:10 PM
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Hitler was a great political leader but his military ability was laking. The two generals that accomplished the most against overwhelming odds wre Hannibal and Robert E Lee. Hanibal defeated armies twice his size many times and carried on a campaign in enemy territory for years
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Oct 7, 2008 7:04 AM
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Subutai was a great military leader.
From Wikipedia:
"He directed more than 20 campaigns during which he conquered (or overran) more territory than any other commander in history. He gained victory by means of imaginative and sophisticated strategies and routinely coordinated movements of armies that were more than 500 km away from each other. He is most remembered for devising the battle plan that destroyed the armies of Hungary and Poland within two days of each other, by forces almost a thousand miles apart."
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Oct 10, 2008 5:44 AM
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Megas Alexandros.
Despite the fact that Phillip organized and built the Macedonian army, Alexander actually led it to victory(on numerous occasions) and conquered one hell of a land mass. I can't stop wondering how far he could have gone given another 15-20 years of life.
I imagine that Arabia would have been an easy conquest, and the unorganized barbarian Europe would also have been a walk in the park for Alexander III.
The people of Italy(Romani and others) were, at this point, far to weak to defeat Alexanders battle hardened forces.
How would the world have developed under these circumstances.?
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Oct 27, 2008 6:10 PM
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Without a doubt Patton, i have a grandfather who served under him and ill take his first hand accounts for it that he was a good man and the stuff i read too helps prove my point. he was an excellent man who was right when he said we should re arm the germans and send them to fight communist russia, he was 100 percent right and now we are having wars because of that simple fact teh the U.S government was so stupid to let Russia slip beneath the Iron curtain, then the cold war started and thats a whole other long story
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general imad mughniah lebanon-israel war 2006
Oct 28, 2008 12:10 AM
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the greatest general in history is hizbulluh general imad mughniah who defeated israel in 2000 and 2006 wars, in 2006 war the military balance was like this: hizbulluh fighters 4000, israel joining forces 30000, technology ratio 1:6.67 to israel side, which means 30000*6.67/4000=50:1 battle ratio, so israel was 50 times more than hizbulluh forces, the losses ratio was 1:3.5 to hizbulluh side which means that israel losses equal 3.5 times more than hizbulluh losses in tanks, airplanes and helicopters and soldiers. that make hizbulluh general Imad Mughniah =3.5*50*8/2 (8 is difficulty ratio of 1:50 battle ratio compared to 1:6.25 battle ratio)= 700 points. which means that hizbulluh general is more clever by 700 times more than the northern front israeli general, which make general imad mughniah the greatest general in history, and if we compare 2006 general imad mughniah with 331 B.C alexander the great, we can conclude that alexander performance cant be proved because it happened more than 2000 years ago, in adition to all other generals who fought way back in history, while 2006 victory of general imad mughniah against israel is proved because it happened in 2006. therefore GENERAL Imad Mughniah is proved the greatest general in history. har luck to hannibal,napoleon,alexander, khalid ibn al-walid,rommel,montegomry,genghis khan and ceaser,....etc.
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Oct 28, 2008 12:15 AM
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the greatest general in history is hizbulluh general imad mughniah who defeated israel in 2000 and 2006 wars, in 2006 war the military balance was like this: hizbulluh fighters 4000, israel joining forces 30000, technology ratio 1:6.67 to israel side, which means 30000*6.67/4000=50:1 battle ratio, so israel was 50 times more than hizbulluh forces, the losses ratio was 1:3.5 to hizbulluh side which means that israel losses equal 3.5 times more than hizbulluh losses in tanks, airplanes and helicopters and soldiers. that make hizbulluh general Imad Mughniah =3.5*50*8/2 (8 is difficulty ratio of 1:50 battle ratio compared to 1:6.25 battle ratio)= 700 points. which means that hizbulluh general is more clever by 700 times more than the northern front israeli general, dont feel confused bill gates fortune is 70 billion dollar which makes him 70,000 times more clever than somebody who made a fortune of 1 million dollar, which make general imad mughniah the greatest general in history, and if we compare 2006 general imad mughniah with 331 B.C alexander the great, we can conclude that alexander performance cant be proved because it happened more than 2000 years ago, in adition to all other generals who fought way back in history, while 2006 victory of general imad mughniah against israel is proved because it happened in 2006. therefore GENERAL Imad Mughniah is proved the greatest general in history. hard luck to hannibal,napoleon,alexander, khalid ibn al-walid,rommel,montegomry,genghis khan and ceaser,....etc.
imad mughniah was assasinated outside the battle front in 2008.
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general imad mughniah lebanon-israel war 2006
Oct 28, 2008 12:16 AM
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the greatest general in history is hizbulluh general imad mughniah who defeated israel in 2000 and 2006 wars, in 2006 war the military balance was like this: hizbulluh fighters 4000, israel joining forces 30000, technology ratio 1:6.67 to israel side, which means 30000*6.67/4000=50:1 battle ratio, so israel was 50 times more than hizbulluh forces, the losses ratio was 1:3.5 to hizbulluh side which means that israel losses equal 3.5 times more than hizbulluh losses in tanks, airplanes and helicopters and soldiers. that make hizbulluh general Imad Mughniah =3.5*50*8/2 (8 is difficulty ratio of 1:50 battle ratio compared to 1:6.25 battle ratio)= 700 points. which means that hizbulluh general is more clever by 700 times more than the northern front israeli general, dont feel confused bill gates fortune is 70 billion dollar which makes him 70,000 times more clever than somebody who made a fortune of 1 million dollar, which make general imad mughniah the greatest general in history, and if we compare 2006 general imad mughniah with 331 B.C alexander the great, we can conclude that alexander performance cant be proved because it happened more than 2000 years ago, in adition to all other generals who fought way back in history, while 2006 victory of general imad mughniah against israel is proved because it happened in 2006. therefore GENERAL Imad Mughniah is proved the greatest general in history. hard luck to hannibal,napoleon,alexander, khalid ibn al-walid,rommel,montegomry,genghis khan and ceaser,....etc.
imad mughniah was assasinated outside the battle front in 2008.
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general imad mughniah lebanon-israel war 2006 more information
Oct 28, 2008 12:20 AM
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the greatest general in history is hizbulluh general imad mughniah who defeated israel in 2000 and 2006 wars, in 2006 war the military balance was like this: hizbulluh fighters 4000, israel joining forces 30000, technology ratio 1:6.67 to israel side, which means 30000*6.67/4000=50:1 battle ratio, so israel was 50 times more than hizbulluh forces, the losses ratio was 1:3.5 to hizbulluh side which means that israel losses equal 3.5 times more than hizbulluh losses in tanks, airplanes and helicopters and soldiers. that make hizbulluh general Imad Mughniah =3.5*50*8/2 (8 is difficulty ratio of 1:50 battle ratio compared to 1:6.25 battle ratio)= 700 points. which means that hizbulluh general is more clever by 700 times more than the northern front israeli general, dont feel confused bill gates fortune is 70 billion dollar which makes him 70,000 times more clever than somebody who made a fortune of 1 million dollar, which make general imad mughniah the greatest general in history, and if we compare 2006 general imad mughniah with 331 B.C alexander the great, we can conclude that alexander performance cant be proved because it happened more than 2000 years ago, in adition to all other generals who fought way back in history, while 2006 victory of general imad mughniah against israel is proved because it happened in 2006. therefore GENERAL Imad Mughniah is proved the greatest general in history. hard luck to hannibal,napoleon,alexander, khalid ibn al-walid,rommel,montegomry,genghis khan and ceaser,....etc.
imad mughniah was assasinated outside the battle front in 2008 in another country syria.
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Jan 25, 2009 7:40 PM
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Attilla the Hun and King Leonidas
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Jan 28, 2009 10:10 AM
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One of the greatests military leaders of history is, indeed, vietnamese general Nguyen Van Giap, who defeated sucessively France and USA in a hard national liberation war (see what McNamara said about that In The Fog of War) that lasted about 20 years. He's still alive, and lives in Hanoi.
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Jan 28, 2009 1:22 PM
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I think this topic is too broad of a question. The greatest military leader to do what? Lead an army? Lead a nation?
Lead a coup? Lead in military theory? Lead in an idea?
Or perhaps.. greatest military leader to beat the odds? Greatest military leader to fail? You can't generalize this topic. It would go on forever.
It sounds too much like a playground argument.
"Snake eyes is my favorite G.I. JOE.." "NO! Duke is way better than him!" "No! Cobra commander!"
If a topic is to be properly addressed, you have to focus it into smaller arguments.
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Re: Greatest MIlitary Leader
Feb 3, 2009 12:01 PM
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This topic is a little vague, are they great based upon their tactics and the odds they faced in any given battle? or rather their ability win an actual War? as the two eventualities provide very differet results:
Hannibal, an undisputed tactical military genius, but he lacked an overall effective strategy, and his inability to assault the city of Rome allowed a seemingly beaten enemy to eventually overpower him with external resources -
a similar fate met Von Rundstedt(perhaps Hitlers most brilliant general- and the head of the german army in the fall of France) he quickly routed british, dutch,french and belgian forces in weeks, but failed to inflict that killing blow upon the british army at dunkirk and a few years later he was being pushed back to the outskirts of berlin.
Eisenhower on the other hand, is the consumate strategist who eloquently co-ordinated his superior resources to bring about a resounding defeat of his opponent- but he had little tactical experience, relying on the skills of his sub commanders.
Alexander: brilliant,brave, audacious,ambitious, was consistently(and often ridicoulously) outnumbered, never lost a battle, fought a great many, and the size of the lands he conquered in the few years he conquered them, would not be sniffed at even by modern military standards,perhaps the greatest military tactician ever- but on his death his empire wasted no time before disintegrating.
Julius Caesar: again brilliant, again brave, a political and military genius, and even his losses in battle simply brought him the virtue of humility(apparently) conquered Gaul, took Rome with a single Legion, overcame impossible odds against Pompeii in Greece, solidified Roman Dominance in the Meditteranean and effectively transformed an expanded Roman Republic Into an Empire, one that would last longer than Any other Great Empire(except arguably the ongoing British,not really an empire these days though - but that was not simply a military feat)
despite his untimely death, Roman Power continued to expand for many centuries. Perhaps Caesar Presents the strongest candidate in finding the balance between tactics and strategy?
Looking Eastward theres such greats as Saladin, who destroyed the Kingdom of Jerusalem recovering much of the holy land, but he had all the advantages, though credit where credit is due for applying them wisely, he was a keen strategist, much loved and respected by saracen and crusader alike, but he doesnt quite match up with the aforementioned Generals.
Genghis Khan: achieved more than perhaps any other in his lifetime, but it must be wondered whether that achievement is thanks largely to his generalship, or the inherently gifted Mongol fighting force, whose horse archery presented his enemies with hail after hail of arrows and no effective means of striking back. More importantly much of his empire was attained under sub commanders, rather than through his own military feats, althhough the same can be said of Eisenhower.
It would Seem that i've concluded that Caesar is perhaps the greatest, although i feel i should say that i really didnt hold that opinion until i started typing, i just arrived at it as i was recounting his successes, but then again its just an opinion, the greatest genera ever is probably some forgotten leader in a war no-one remembers, we can only really decide who we think is the best of the most well known.
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