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A English view on extreme trains
Jun 18, 2009 12:51 AM
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My mate phones me upand says " the a train show on TV " I say" realy real trains not steam , "
" yes but it is in USA "
"OK I give it a look"
and tune in I enjoyed every moment of extreme trains great to see todays railway doing what it dose and not to many steam engiens from the last centry LOL .
Have linked it up to record the nexet shows I will tell all me train fan mates and think MB should come to england were it all began and spread sume of his enthusastic attitued here .
I think children would love the show and all trains are the futurer and all .. MB should stress line side safty and be more responcable railways are very safe as long as your not tresspassing and stay away from the moving parts
was also fasernating to see everyday USA places and ordnary folk/workers all we see in uk is soaps or police getto docqumentrys .
great fun what more ...........send MB out to do extreme trains of the world next ..
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 18, 2009 7:03 PM
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You are right- the show seems to only appeal to small children and friends and relatives of the host- would have done well on DISNEY or ABC FAMILY- but since it provided the viewer with little to no "History" of the Railroads, should not have been on the channel that continues to call itself HISTORY.
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South Portland Maine
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 23, 2009 4:40 PM
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Loco 189, I loce the cop shows in England. I love the Thames Valley/ Reading Police and they even have a hottie on there. They are so polite.
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South Portland Maine
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM
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ltrazordoblablabla..... 641 posts and I wonder if you have your point across yet?
you are part of the pathetic lot i wrote about earlier; of that, there can be no doubt. Disney.... ABC family..... small children and family only.... get over your jealosy and complain to the network and stop crapping up this board with your useless dribble.
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South Portland Maine
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 24, 2009 8:15 AM
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I get the whole "history on the history channel" thing. I do not completely agree but you have a point; I wish you could be more specific about how Matt has let down viewers with his style.
I think all you nay sayers are over-reacting when it comes to Matt and I would not defend him if I thought he was out of line.
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Orlando
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 24, 2009 12:29 PM
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See reply below. Had to
shrink the text to make
it completely readable.
This forum is cutting off
sentences, parts of words,
etc. to make posts unintelligble.
makes me wonder if History
Channel is doing this on purpose!
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From:
Orlando
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 24, 2009 12:37 PM
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Because MATT DOES A DISSERVICE to the
REAL RAILROADS out there. I honestly
can not believe he has a job on a
real railroad, a kiddy carnival
railroad, perhaps.
I grew up with trains, my relatives worked
for L&N and C&O roads, if they acted in
the manner that Matt does, they'd have
been tossed off the train for UNSAFE
practices or terminated for them!
Matt does not promote the safety that
should be done around trains, not
like he should.
Matt does not make the train crews he
films around feel all happy and warm
inside, if you look at their faces,
many times they look like, where did
they get this idiot? Why did they pick
this looney for hosting the show?
Many of the train crews faces show just
what they think of Matt, and it's not
all that high!
Matt spouts off inaccuracies about how
trains work, and that right there, is
why I doubt that he really works on
a "real railroad" anywhere.
Every conductor and engineer
I have met KNOW the ins and outs of
their trains, Matt doesn't seem to
know how things really work and this
is why I do not think he could
really be a conductor on a real
railroad anywhere. This is stuff
that train crews KNOW before they
even get out on a train!
And this is why many folks find fault
with the show and the host (Matt Bwn) of it,
That and there IS NOT enough historical
correlation to go alongside with the show.
This is also why a lot of folks say it
does not belong on the "History Channel"
and in this respect I can agree.
This show, Extreme Trains should have
aired on Nickelodeon, Disney Kids,
ABC Family or even A&E as this is
really where a train show of this
caliber belongs, it truly does not
belong on the History Channel until
such time more historical facts are
included, Matt tones down his
overzealous attitude and can get his
facts right as well as more in-depth
interviews with the crews and those
associated with running the trains,
not having Matt spouting off
hysterically and showing him every
few minutes.
The show NEEDS major work to be enjoyed
by everyone, as it is, it IS geared,
in my and many others opinions for
Children, not really adults, unless
they have the mentallity of a 5 year old.
If this can't make you see what a folly
this show is, then there is no way I,
or anyone else can help you to see these
facts and why we believe the show
(if it were to continue) SHOULD NOT be
on the History Channel!
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From:
South Portland Maine
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 25, 2009 9:07 AM
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CSX5861..... if you had tried out, you could have hosted the show but sadly realatives of real railroad workers simply do not have the qualifications to host; you have to at least hold a union card.
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 25, 2009 1:03 PM
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CSX5861 you said it better than I ever could. Darren Niles, you have had a problem with anybody who does not like the show or Matt. All I can say is you are an apologist for Matt. I don't know what personal connection you have to him, but I am sure there is one. Matt seems to fail to realize what the name of this channel is. He seems happy that little kids like the show. Here is the problem it was a show on 10 pm on a channel named History which is supposed to be dedicated to historical programming. Perhaps you and the diaper brigade can save this show. Who knows.
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From:
Orlando
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12/3/08
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 26, 2009 9:25 AM
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ANYONE could host Extreme Trains,
because Matt IS NOT anywhere near
the caliber of a true railroad worker.
As for a Union Card, guess what bub,
I DO HOLD ONE (UNION CARD) and HAVE
ALWAYS HELD ONE! I even have
"Honorary engineer and conductor cards"!
I have worked alongside many a FINE
railroad worker and everyone I know
that has seen the show Extreme Trains,
feel just as I stated about why Matt
IS NOT the proper host for this show.
Not if it is to be truly PROTOYPICAL,
OPERATIONAL and FACTUAL. All have
found insult by Matt's inaccuracies
when he describes how something works
on a train or locomotive incorrectly.
Many of the "OLD TIMERS" I also know
have asked me after they saw the ahow,
why do they have that on a HISTORY channel?,
Where is the real historical information
about how the railroads actually came into
being?, The perils of working a steam
engine and even the dangers we faced
riding in a caboose?
Most all of us agree, it should NOT be
on History and IT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE to
ADULTS, the show IS SUBJECTIVE TO
CHILDREN and is why the children love it.
But like I said, if you can't comprehend
the information presented directly in front
of you, either YOU lack the proper education
to be able to understand what is being
stated plainly and SIMPLY or YOU are a part
of the crew that creates the EXTREME TRAINS
Show and may even be a "flunky"
(i.e. butt-kisser) to Matt Bown, whom just
about every adult sees more as a clown of a
children's show.
Ever watch BOZO the clown as a child?
If so, then maybe you could understand the
difference between how a host of a show would
act geared for adults vs one geared for
children. Bozo was always in the limelight,
you saw him every few moments, just as Matt
is in the limelight, WHICG DETRACTS and
TAKES AWAY from the VERY MATERIAL and PEOPLE
he is speaking to and about.
So, whether or not you like it, Matt needs
to TONE IT DOWN, have MORE RESPECT for those
train folks and railroads he is around on
these shoots and allow more footage/interviews
of the folks OPERATING the TRAINS and RAILROADS,
not the way it is with his face in the camera
every few minutes.
But all I'm doing is stating pretty much the
same thing over again, so I feel sorry for
you Darrell, because you just can't seem to
grasp these facts of why so many people
dislike how the show is presented, it's NOT
that we dislike the show itself, IT's ALL IN
THE PRESENTATION and THAT is what WILL MAKE
or BREAK a show, unfortunately Matt's behavior
around trains and their crew, spouting out
innaccuracies and a sole lack of real
historical correlations IS WHAT BROKE
THIS SHOW!
And that's the truth and as I've always
heard: "The TRUTH HURTS"
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~CSX5861~
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From:
Orlando
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12/3/08
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 26, 2009 9:47 AM
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sovietcollector, methinks he may be a
flunky for Matt, ya know one of them
butt-kisser types that think by doing
that you can climb up the proverbial
success ladder. (it doesn't work!)
I got many a cab ride IN A STEAM loco
and cabooses as well. Everytime we
went on vacation to Kentucky/Ohio,
I always got train rides and other
perks because of having uncles
( who were lifers on the C&O and L&N)
and my grandfather for a short time
worked the C&O as a butch. Anyone
that really knows the history of
railroads will know what that is,
"Butch on a railroad", they were
only on passenger service.
I had been in many an L&N and C&O
steam and diesel when the transistions
came, as well as an L&N and C&O caboose.
So Darrell can apout and pout all he
wants, there are a lot of inaccuracies
with Extreme Trains and the way it is
presented, honestly does not belong on
the History Channel, nor at the 10pm
time slot.
It should have aired either early
morning (6am-7am or presented
after school 3pm-7pm) or early
afternoon/evening for the children
to watch, but even then, Matt's
incorrect explainations of how
things work on a locomotive, train
or the railroad would be doing a
disservice to these children that
may grow up and want to work on a
railroad, learning the wrong
information from this show.
Ever notice that how when you
learn the WRONG WAY of something
it seems to stick with you over
the correct way? And you end up
having to re-look up how to do
something correctly after trying
to do it from your memory and you
keep wondering why it didn't work? LOL
Well that's one of the reasons I
and many others dislike Extreme
Trains, and the lack of historical
correlation doesn't help it any
either, along with Matt ALWAYS
in the limelight, where I feel
the RAILROAD, THE TRAINS and THE
CREWS OPERATING ALL OF IT all the
ones that ALL SHOULD BE in the
LIMELIGHT, with the host possibly
speaking softly in the background
OFF CAMERA!
I don't dislike the show itself,
I just dislike the way it is
being presented with all the
overzealous and silliness of the
host being so exhuberant,
ranting and foaming MUCH WORSE
than ANY FOAMER I've ever met!
If Extreme Trains just toned it
down, put in more historical
correleation alongside the trains
and gave the crews and other
railroad employees the limelight,
instead of having Matt HOG it all
the time, this show could be one
of the best and greatest
train/railroad shows on TV and
on the History channel.
It's just too bad those that
create, work or kiss up to the
folks on this show just can not
see it for what it is,
A CHILDREN'S TV SHOW that belongs
on one of the many children's
networks or family channels.
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~CSX5861~
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 26, 2009 2:45 PM
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I agree with you that he is a flunky for Matt. He is so blindsided by his loyality for Matt, he does not see the show for what it is. He also may be Matt, as Matt according to his myspace could not take the criticism . I agree Matt should have been no where near the camera. If this show was on another channel it would not need the historical background. But than the history of the railroad is also part of the fun. To be honest I never could figure out what Extreme Trains wanted to be.
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From:
london UK
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 28, 2009 5:33 AM
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this is so odd your all going on about matt like his the most hated railman on earth but what a bout the trains .......thay are the stars of the show thought your talk more about them ...I am realy fasernated by the operation and use of rail in the USA...
and it dose show realy moden trains are and what can be done
tommorrow i will travel by highspeed trainin two hours from london to brusselsand onto antweerpeen.this is everyday travel in UK and in the USA you have one fast train the Aclaexpress at 300kph matt realy would be moving ? I hope the is lot support in USAforthe presedentspeech on rail and thehighspeed rail in san franfrisco to LA
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 28, 2009 7:58 AM
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To be honest I care about one thing, and that is why is a show with little to no history on the history channel. Some people hate the host, who is 90% of the show. The 10% of trains and 1% of history is not enough for some or maybe many. I am discounting the large following of little kids who can change their mind the next day to be intrested in something else. Loco you want to discuss something that has come to pass and that is this show. Look for a railfan site to join, but all you are going to get here is some guy saying how he hates railfans and others saying how they hate matt and a few saying why is this on this channel.
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Orlando
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Re: A English view on extreme trains
Jun 28, 2009 10:53 PM
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Therin lies part of the problem
loco, you see, every few moments
we saw a shimmering glimpe of the
train, then in record time, there
is Mart's face plastered close-up
on the screen or they have cut way
back away from the train for a full
body shot of Matt standing in front
of the locomotive. Either way the
show WAS NOT PRESENTED well for
the History channel, the trains,
the workers and other facets of
the railroads ALL took a back
seat to Matt's over-exhuberance
blasting us with the same criteria
over and over AND OVER AND OVER
again and again. After the first
run, I watched every episode, but I
honestly could not take the re-runs
and watched something else or I went
out with my paranormal group on an
investigation because after the
first run by, I'd seen enough NOT
to want to watch them over again.
I have nothing against Matt, really
I don't, it's just his attitude for
this type of show is just all wrong,
and if we had gotten a little more
correlation of history along with
getting them to tone Matt down,
this could have been one of the
best railroad shows on TV. Sadly,
as it stands, it is more of a
child TV production and hence
why many of us have given up
on it. It could have truly
been a great show, but it seems
our CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS to
help improve the show just
fell on deaf and dumb ears.
Nothing we can do about it,
but just not watch the show.
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