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On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 4:15 AM
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I just finished watching the episode "The Da Vinci Code: Bloodlines". As has been pointed out by many people, they were testing the DNA of a queen who MARRIED INTO the Merovingian line, not someone born into the Merovingian line.
There is another flaw in the show's logic that I have not seen mentioned yet. On the show, they said that they were testing mitochandrial DNA. Mitochandrial DNA is inherited from the mother only. The Merovian line was a patriacal linage. That means that even if they tested her husband, King Clothar I, the results would be irrelevant. His mitochodrial DNA came for his mother Clotilde. Clotilde's father was Merovingian (Source: "Bloodlines of the Holy Grail" by Laurence Gardner) , but as near as I can tell her mother was not. (Source: various internet sites)
What would have been interesting is if they tested Mary Magelene's DNA. Her skull is in prefect condition, set in a gold statue with a molded glass cover. It is kept at a church in La Sainte-Baume, France. Another small piece of bone from Mary Magdalene is housed in the church La Magdaleine in Paris.
But who could they test it against? As mentioned earlier, the remains of the Merovingian Kings would not be a match. Even if they found a match to a person living today, he or she could be descendant from a sister or aunt of Mary Magdalene. It would be interesting to find out if the girl Sarah, who some think is Mary Magdalene's daughter was buried in the church at "Stes. Maries de la Mer."
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 12:42 PM
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How sure are we that the remains purported to be those of the Magdalene are in fact hers and not the product of some "relic factory"? I mean there was once someone who falsely claimed to have been the Grand Duchess Anastasia Romanoff after all. Why not a false claimant to the identity of the Magdalene as well?
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 12:53 PM
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It has been said before and I'll say it again because I'm bored.
Royalty kept their royal blood "pure" by marrying relations. Somewhere along the lines they must have had a common ancestor making Queen A. part of the blood line.
In the 6th and 7th centuries not very many counrties were in league with eachother enough to give their daughter over to another country. Marrying serfs and commoners wasn't a good idea.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's rem
Apr 3, 2006 12:57 PM
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I have yet to see the episode, but I imagine being from the blood line of Mary, somebody who shared the same time era with jesus or even bore him a child would be extra picky in choosing people to marry.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's rem
Apr 3, 2006 1:02 PM
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Maybe. I'm not too up to date with the Bible (never read it). But did Jesus consider himself to be the son of God? Did he actually say that or did he just say "we're all God's kids and I'm speaking through Him"?
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 2:22 PM
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Angel - OK, aside from finding it just a tad ironic that "angel" hasn't read the Bible *g* (I tease!!  ) Based on my (albeit limited & quick) research - no - Jesus never did refer to himself as the "begotten" Son of God - more in a "we are all God's children" way.
Whatever folks believe about the remains of Mary Magdalene's remains (real, not real, hoax...oh whatever lol) I can think we can all safely agree there is no way DNA testing would be allowed! It would be akin to "Oh can we just cut off a small piece of Michelangelo's David to test the marble"...so - likely this is why no one has "thought" of it.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 2:40 PM
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If Mary's remains were found I think that tests would be done. Not something that would obviously stick out, like taking a chunk off (David? What piece would they test? )
The Vatican I think would agree. They've already taken back the supposed job of prostitute. Why not take a small bone scrape?
It is ironic isn't it? I've never found myself interested in it though. I like the historic part of it, the facts if you will.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's rem
Apr 3, 2006 3:06 PM
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> Maybe. I'm not too up to date with the Bible (never
> read it). But did Jesus consider himself to be the
> son of God? Did he actually say that or did he just
> say "we're all God's kids and I'm speaking through
> Him"?
Over on the Religion: History of Christianity forum there was a lively discussion of whether or not the Jesus of the New Testament was even a historical character at all.
While I don't doubt that there may have been a historical "Jesus", I also don't believe the historical "Jesus" bore much resemblance to "Jesus the Christ" of Christian and Pagan myth. That character is a mythological religious archtype that has been around as long as religion and has gone by various names to include Osiris, Serapis, Tammuz, Mithras, Dionysus and others.
This distinction between the historical and the mythical "Jesus" is what makes the theory of the Desposyni so controversial to believers whose "Jesus" must conform to the convention of religious myth by being a sacrificial God/man rather than a very mortal flesh and blood dynast making a claim to the throne of Israel and getting nailed by the Romans for his trouble.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's rem
Apr 3, 2006 3:14 PM
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I believe Jesus really exsisted. Sadly for us though a lot of the Bible's books were written after Jesus ahd already died.
I think you are right Kundry, I think ancient (even in Jesus's time) dieties were scrunched into a man who actually lived making him bigger than he was.
"He calmed the seas, walked on water" those might have been true in a different form. Perhaps he calmed people who were losing their religion so to speak and maybe he walked on water by bringing up his view, you know, had to tread lighly on broken ground.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 5:48 PM
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I don't think the owners/keepers of the supposed bones of Mary Magdalene would allow them to be DNA-tested (seems like someone would have done so already, just for the record if nothing else) because the item being tested must be destoryed (i.e. crunched into dust) in order to get anything out of it. Especially if there is not very much left would they likely give up a piece for testing. However, as Kundry said, how do we know that these are the bones of Mary Magdalene of the Bible?
I think this is the major problem of the whole idea that plagued the DFT Bloodlines show....with any remains that old that have undergone God knows what kind of moves and desecrations, there is not a very surefire way to positively identify them or even separate the real stuff from legend (yet). Otherwise it could possibly be an easier case to prove.
About the question of Jesus, yes, in the Bible, he does claim to be the Son of God born in human form and he knew that his purpose on Earth was to spread God's word and then die on the cross in the place of mankind.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 6:47 PM
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So you're telling me Jesus believed himself to be the son of God, compared to "we're all God's children", and knew he would be crucified?
Did he know he'd be crucified by by the leaders of the religion he renounced?
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 7:00 PM
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Mary Magdalene's skull?? It was not until the eighth century that the made up story of Magdalene was promulgated in France. This was after several hundred years, beginning with the bogus find of the "true cross" by Constantine's mother Helen began the interest in relics or anything to do with Christianities' bits and piecss.
The fact was, and still is, that making up a connection, especially with relics, creates a pilgrimage site. People leave money at pilgrimage sites. Hence the trafficing of fake items. There simply was no Mary Magdalene to have born a bloodline from.
Also, when it would have benefitted the Merovingians greatly, they NEVER claimed to be of the bloodline of Jesus, period. They claimed a far older, real lineage.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 7:02 PM
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Mary Magdalene was a real person. The Dead Sea scrolls are far older than the "finding" of a skull. Truth is the skull could be anyone's. You're right about the prilgrimage and money. Money was just as coveted then as it is now.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 7:57 PM
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1. Jesus told the Jews, "I and the Father are one." John 10:24-38
2. Jesus forgave sins, which only God had the authority to do. Mark 2:5-11
3. Jesus said that he had seen Abraham and that he is eternal: "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" John 8:57-58 (I AM was on of the name by which the Israelites knew God).
4. Only people who receive the forgiveness of Jesus are children of God. John 1:10-13. The saying that all people are children of God is a fairy tale made up by man. You would be surprised to find what's really in the Bible. Don't take my word, read it for yourself.
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Re: On the "Bloodline" episode, DFT never discussed testing Magdalene's remains
Apr 3, 2006 8:02 PM
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I think I'll pass on reading the Bible. My personal opinion is that it's just a bunch of bull crap. I'm not trying to start a fight but I liken Christianity to Scientology, it's just a cult. Far more ancient religions have firmer ground.
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