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Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 5:04 PM
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Let's see, they had an elected President who was an ally of Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro and was moving to try and change the countries constitution to allow himself another elected term. To try and force these changes he wanted to place the option for Constitutional reform in a popular vote referendom. The countries supreme court declared such a vote illegal and when the head of the Honduran military refused to enforce such a vote he was fired, again illegally, by the President.
Rather than sit back and watch this elected leader turn himself into another dictator a la Chavez the military acted, and the Honduran congress has supported their actions.
Seems like a pretty easy side to go with on this one, but the Obama administration has showed the world another example of their lack of judgement in opposing such a move as the military has made. Frankly I'm getting more than a little tired of this junior diplomacy with little signs that President puts much thought before making his initial statements on the subject. The President needs to recognise the military's need to act the way they did and why Zelaya was a threat to to the small central american nation, not to mention that this gives us a diplomatic talking point in which to work against Venezuela and Cuba.
Hmm, undermining the support for anti-American leaders? Gosh what a concept.
-DD
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_honduras_coup
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 5:11 PM
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Wonder what happened to "no meddling?"
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM
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> Wonder what happened to "no meddling?"
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Obama gave it up for "hot dog" diplomacy.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 5:21 PM
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"Obama gave it up for "hot dog" diplomacy. "
He bit the weenie on this one.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 6:06 PM
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Oh no, don't worry, give him a week for his staff to get up to date, along with everybody telling him the right thing to do before he decides it's worth his time to say how "troubled" he is.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 6:11 PM
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Obama identifies with the Honduran President. After all, that could be his future, if he keeps messin' with the US Constitution. At least he'll have a bud in Costa Rica to commiserate with. 
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 6:22 PM
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To go with his growing "buds" in Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba.
Meanwhile the "change" in leadership is being so embraced by our allies in Europe that they are climbing over themselves to take Gitmo detainees and up there commitment to Afghanistan... oh wait.
train wreck = the current administration.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM
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How many military coups have taken place in Honduras since 1900?
Yep, if we don't like a democratically elected leader, it is okay to endorse a coup.
Then you wonder that their are people in the world that hate the US.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 7:03 PM
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Yep, if we don't like a democratically elected leader, it is okay to endorse a coup.
Land of the free, case you missed it. We are free to say and endorse whatever we want and in this case the President of that country was taking illegal actions to which the military, and the elected congress consented.
Here's a figerative buck, please go buy yourself a clue.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM
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So how many years since 1900 was Honduras ruled by a Junta?
So an impeachment wasn't viable?
So when there's a civil war in Honduras again and hundreds of thousands Hondurans try to cross into the US, you'll pay the extra money for the beefed up Border Patrol and shipping them back?
Ignorance and arrogance are quite a combination.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM
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> How many military coups have taken place in Honduras
> since 1900?
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> Yep, if we don't like a democratically elected
> leader, it is okay to endorse a coup.
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> Then you wonder that their are people in the world
> that hate the US.
People in the world seem to hate socialist....they're getting harder to find than hens teeth. The only ones around seem to be the ones sneakin' into office. 
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 8:23 PM
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So how many years since 1900 was Honduras ruled by a Junta?
Dunno, but according to the article they are ruled by an interim President right now, not a junta. Perhaps you should read the article before you comment.
Getting the facts before running your mouth, what a concept.
So an impeachment wasn't viable?
He ignored the supreme court twice, but hey, when it comes to being removed from power I'm sure he would have left easily right?
So when there's a civil war in Honduras again and hundreds of thousands Hondurans try to cross into the US, you'll pay the extra money for the beefed up Border Patrol and shipping them back?
Wow, great point, cuz it's not like we don't already have an immigration problem on our southern border. This whole thing could turn out to be a real problem. lol, anymore softballs kiddo?
Ignorance and arrogance are quite a combination.
I'm sure that thought runs through your little mind everytime you pass a mirror.
-DD
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM
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Had wolfie bothered to do a little research, he would have known these things:
The Honduran Supreme Court ruled that Zaleya was in voilation of the Honduran Constitution.
The Honduran Congress ruled to strip Zaleya of all power, and remove him as president.
The Honduran Congress ruled to place an interim president in Zaleya's stead, until elections in January.
Unless wolfie knows something about the Honduran constitution that prohibits these actions, he is just blowing smoke.
Oh, and btw, Obama says he will continue to try to negotiate with the powers in Iran. That currently means Imjustajollyjihad and Khomenei.
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 28, 2009 8:34 PM
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> So how many years since 1900 was Honduras ruled by
> a Junta?
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> Dunno, but according to the article they are ruled by
> an interim President right now, not a junta. Perhaps
> you should read the article before you comment.
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> Getting the facts before running your mouth, what a
> concept.
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> So an impeachment wasn't viable?
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> He ignored the supreme court twice, but hey, when it
> comes to being removed from power I'm sure he would
> have left easily right?
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> So when there's a civil war in Honduras again and
> hundreds of thousands Hondurans try to cross into the
> US, you'll pay the extra money for the beefed up
> Border Patrol and shipping them back?
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> Wow, great point, cuz it's not like we don't already
> have an immigration problem on our southern border.
> This whole thing could turn out to be a real problem.
> lol, anymore softballs kiddo?
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> Ignorance and arrogance are quite a
> combination.
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> I'm sure that thought runs through your little mind
> everytime you pass a mirror.
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> -DD
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> A wise and frugal government, which shall leave
> men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry
> and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of
> labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of
> good government
> -Thomas Jefferson
LOL 
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Re: Obama admin gets it wrong again, denouncing Honduran coup
Jun 29, 2009 6:56 AM
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So why did the Organizaton of American States vote to condemn the Coup?
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