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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 8:31 AM
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Yeah I remember those things Marine...
Insulted the general...
Called our troops Nazi's...
The war is "lost"....
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Jul 2, 2009 8:47 AM
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Good Luck and God Bless.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:19 AM
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I think what they called General Petraeus, was one of the worst things to come out of the Liberal's mouth. That's one thing I will never forget. Just because he didn't agree with them on what to do. Unforgivable.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:24 AM
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I heard this morning that Helmand Province is almost the size of Ireland. Imagine trying to hold Ireland with 4000 troops. On the other hand, maybe it has its population concentrated in ertian places. Anyway, this is a lawless and dangerous locale that has to be gotten under control to stop the spread fo the Taliban. Wish the troops well.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:26 AM
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> > It's too bad you folks have decided to try to
> turn
> > this into a political game instead of
> expressing
> > support for our troops.
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>  ....This coming from the side the wanted our
> troops to be defeated in Iraq.....That declared the
> surge a failure before the surge even began...The
> same side that demanded that returning coffins be
> publicized...The same side that called our troops
> murderers, invaders, terrorist....Some how it is now
> different with them in charge....
Pops's hysteria, we never said any such things as wantign thtem to be defeated or calign them such names, This is how the right whips itself inot a frenzy: lying about whatthe other side said. I think Goebbels did the same thing...
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:32 AM
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It's too bad you folks have decided to try to turn this into a political game instead of expressing support for our troops.
Once again it is too bad that you didn't feel this way when Bush was president. First it was the term "Obamanation" that had you upset, yet you had no problem with "dumbya", now this. Can you say hypocrite? I promise not to ask you to spell it. 
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:35 AM
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> I heard this morning that Helmand Province is almost
> the size of Ireland. Imagine trying to hold Ireland
> with 4000 troops. On the other hand, maybe it has its
> population concentrated in ertian places. Anyway,
> this is a lawless and dangerous locale that has to be
> gotten under control to stop the spread fo the
> Taliban. Wish the troops well.
I guess it is a big province, but I wouldn't doubt most of these guys are hold up in the towns and villages which would cut down the number of places to cover. Only problem is, it will mean fighting in those towns and villages, which is very dangerous to both our troops and civilians.Lets hope we can dig them out without to many casualties on our troops and civilians.
It's God's place to judge the terrorists. It's the job of the Marines to arrange the meeting.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:41 AM
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Is this a good mission on good ground? Was the mission directed from the Whitehouse or is this directed from the field as a target of opportunity? Is using 4000 Marines to take a stronghold in that region feasible? Or is this just a PR mission to go destroy poppy fields?
These Marines will do whatever is asked of them, I hope it’s not to show that a neophyte can issue orders.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 9:43 AM
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You don't recall hearing the term "dumya" either. Even after you were directed to a post from two years back where you used the term you still deny using it. Perhaps you suffer from selective memory loss. If so, you certainly aren't the only one here.
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"Moreover, any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one already." Henry David Thoreau
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 10:20 AM
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"I guess it is a big province"
It looks that way, yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Helmand_River_Basin_Sub.png
http://encarta.msn.com/map_701513116/helmand.html
You kind of have to mentally "overlay," the two. I didn't really see a good complete map of the area.
As for the numbers, the reports (In my opinion anyway) seem rather inconsistent. The 4,000 figure is everywhere, yet not specific. Less reported it seems are the Afghan and British troops involved in the operation (I've seen three different names for it speaking of inconsistencies). In addition, NATO and British forces were already in the area prior to this operation.
I also didn't see anything on globalsecurity.org which I find odd. Either they're slow on the up take, or I am (Which is entirely possible).
I don't really have anything to add to your point about cities and civilians other than to agree. Well put.
There are of course wounded and one marine has been captured thus far, but I'm sure you've read about that.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 10:25 AM
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Pops hysteria, we never said any such things as wantign thtem to be defeated or calign them such names, This is how the right whips itself inot a frenzy: lying about whatthe other side said. I think Goebbels did the same thing...
Liar liar, panties on fire!
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 10:31 AM
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> > I heard this morning that Helmand Province is
> almost
> > the size of Ireland. Imagine trying to hold
> Ireland
> > with 4000 troops. On the other hand, maybe it
> has its
> > population concentrated in ertian places.
> Anyway,
> > this is a lawless and dangerous locale that has
> to be
> > gotten under control to stop the spread fo the
> > Taliban. Wish the troops well.
>
> I guess it is a big province, but I wouldn't doubt
> most of these guys are hold up in the towns and
> villages which would cut down the number of places to
> cover. Only problem is, it will mean fighting in
> those towns and villages, which is very dangerous to
> both our troops and civilians.Lets hope we can dig
> them out without to many casualties on our troops and
> civilians.
Agreed, Marine. I have heard some people predict that the Taliban will melt away and try to attack our outposts later. That coudl mean they are weaker than supposed. The kidnapping of the American soldier yesterday by Haqqani I think seals his fate. The key is to not do so much damage to the locals that they hate us. So I prefer the Taliban melt away.
They said they make $70 million from opium shipments, farmers probably see a tenth of that. So for a measly 40 million we could probably pay these guys to stop growing opium. If you take it away, you have to replace it with something. It is practically the only cash crop they have.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 10:35 AM
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You mean instead of giving them one in Iraq?
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 11:15 AM
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I read where one of the big reasons they are doing this now is to try and clear the enemy out of these places before the Afghan elections take place, hoping that will give a lot of votes to the reining President. This is probable true. But if the troops stay there and prevent the enemy from coming back in as they say they will, it will go a long way in fighting this war. One of the big problems we had in Iraq was driving the enemy out and then leaving and have the enemy move back in later. Once we were able to stay, the towns stayed relatively calm.
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Re: 4,000 US Marines Invade Taliban Stronghold
Jul 2, 2009 11:23 AM
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Some key pieces in this puzzle:
1) A week or two ago I saw a story that the American forces announced that they would no longer be trying to eradicate the opium fields, because the eradication efforst were unsuccessful and only led to alienating the farmers. Instead, there would be an economic program to try to convert fields and farmers over to other types of crops and activities.
2) Pakistan recently announced it was shifting troops to its border with Afghanistan in the Helmand region, which would prevent Taliban fleeing the American assault from escaping into Pakistan. This is a MAJOR advance for our forces - getting the cooperation from Pakistan - in concert with their successful efforts to eradicate the Taliban from their own territory - will do much to defeat the Taliban overall.
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