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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 3, 2008 8:23 PM
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Except that they exist on Earth. Ever seen the New Hampshire (or is it Vermont?) quarter? It has the famous face of a man that's actually part of a mountain. And just because a rock looks like something doesn't mean it is it. -Don
Does it look like a face from above, Don?
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 3, 2008 10:25 PM
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> "Includes a spectacular collection of new
> photographs presented by Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former
> Chief Astronimer for the United States Naval
> Observatory"
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-20g7Bwdw&NR=1
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> "See remarkable monuments, "T" shaped craters,
> gigantic glass tube systems, ancient forest remains
> and grand edifices that will leave you
> speechless."
Losty,
He's from the Naval Observatory...LMAO..Thats where MJ-12 is housed.
Dr Tom probably has all the good photos...he had to..to evaluate them for MJ-12
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 3, 2008 10:29 PM
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Grrr
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 4, 2008 7:58 AM
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Don, I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about. Its way over my head.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 4, 2008 12:00 PM
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You referring to the mummy or the burn?
In the latter case, it's a good question how such a determination would be reached and to what degree of confidence. Could something else in nature make a big dark ring like that annulus, incompletely and almost looking slightly depressed.
The center of the annulus would be the breach's shadow from the holding pond's covering buried under ground, putting the total diameter at something like 3/4 of a mile.
Nuclear waste is stored under water today in the U.S. and elsewhere. Maybe theirs dried up or leaked out in an earthquake--somebody pulled the plug.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 4, 2008 3:27 PM
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That's just ridiculous.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 5, 2008 6:36 PM
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He's from the Naval Observatory...LMAO..Thats where MJ-12 is housed.
Dr Tom probably has all the good photos...he had to..to evaluate them for MJ-12 -Man
We want the good ones...we want the good ones...we...come on you guys!.....we want the good ones!
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 6, 2008 11:07 AM
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There are ready references to support a mature scientific appraisal, these two books are quite eye opening (if that is permitted on THC):
Saying for example: "That's just rediculous." is ignorant of human reasoning and scientific thought on the subject--so enough said about the specious heckling. Criticizing hecklers seems to be their big opportunity to push their panic button and report abuse--another open display they're just trolling.
[Cataclysm!--compelling evidence of a cosmic catastrophe in 9500B.C.
D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair, Bear and Company, Sante Fe, New Mexico, 1997;p. Ch. 12--Abnormal Burials, i.e. 'upright skeletons':121-130]
companion book is a must:
[Theories of Earth and Universe--a history of dogma in the earth sciences, Carey, S. Warren, Stanford University Press, Stanford, California, 1988]
Anecdote regarding Mons Olympus on Mars being the size of Arizona helps put the thing in perspective: Mount Olympus is in the State of Washington, it isn't the State of Washington.
Mars Syndrome trigger is still a matter of conjecture, so far it has two configurations that depart from contrasting evidence large impactors are a sustainable event due to their unique nature: 1) Using nukes to fake tsunamis 2) piling up nuclear waste in a vast reservoir without moderation till it explodes and burrows to the core.
In (2), as the nuclear landfill fills up, it would displace the hydro moderator, then at some point with the water left in the cumulative over-fill, it simply boils dry and becomes too hot to quench, regardless the source of water isn?t enough flow capacity to restore what there is no longer a reservoir capacity to accommodate the moderator?s effective arrest of chained fission reactions.
So it?s like a pond is built, but it must never be filled to capacity or even 1/5th with solid high level waste. The water level and volume must be maintained at full pond capacity?a cylindrical cavity like many built for petroleum or water storage everywhere. But it?s too much work to build another one, the bureaucracy doesn?t understand why the space available should be off limits after the trouble of providing it. So rules are violated if they have any such rules, or they may be systematically misled into the catastrophe in order to burn the bridge of that world next to earth.
They would know about the problem of moderation and criticality, so the other breakdowns in relations and institutions are more likely. They keep shoveling the waste in and pouring more water through it to keep it cool, but it is a fatal case of ultimately diminishing returns. It starts to melt and amalgamate as if it were liquid material in a crucible under water and has steam explosions forceful enough to destroy the aqueduct by a backflow of high pressure explosive water-hammering, bursting water pipes and channel seals?then no water can reach the pile in the amount needed or fast enough, because the runaway reaction?s feedback has destroyed the moderator?s sourcing network.
It gets hotter and hotter and blows it?s perfectly circular roof, emitting a hot radioactive plasma that toasts the floor of the Cydonia plane in an annular ring a mile long and ¾ mile diameter on the inside is left in a shadow of that concrete-like lid. In fact use of concrete could be why such progress and profusion of enormous structures became possible, easier to build. The Parthenon in Greece is on a concrete-like slab of daunting proportions quite a mystery itself.
So the misnomer ?China Syndrome? from the old movie with Jane Fonda and Jack Lemon is actually a scale of magnitude comparison: small amounts of burrowing hot critical material will diffuse like viscous fingering and percolation; however they also will reach ground water and create a horrible mess and hazard of life for hundreds of miles around. They certainly aren?t on the way to China.
A large enough mass however may be a different thing and behave differently in the crust to mantle then lower mantle and outer core breach. It may be so hot and moving fast enough to keep recouping its percolative diffusion front, while massive enough to compress it as well, limiting migration of the diffusion front laterally. The Hele-Shaw cell experiment demonstrates viscous fingering under different applications of pressure gradient, resulting in a variety of interplay and consolidation depending on viscosities and densities, called anisotropies. Some fan out like sprigs of parsley everywhere, others probe along forming thick migration channels [?Fractals and Disordered Systems?, Armin Bunde and Shlomo Havlin, eds., Springer Verlag, 1991 ; 269].
And still, in the same practical gravitational field and hydrostatic equilibrium conditions, there is nowhere but down toward the center gravitational sink in the planet; and again not to be confused with a naïve burrowing model to China as if a bookworm would chew from cover to cover.
Then the next question is why Mons Olympus would not form that massive shield volcano over the Cydonia complex instead of quite some distance away? That would be very complicated and involve the already established mantle heat plume topography inside the early Mars, but it could also involve the Coriolis Force on a rotating body pushing a burrowing process sideways or perpendicular to the direction of movement , i.e. velocity. I think the laterally drifting pile would intersect an already established giant convection plume, tumble down through it rapidly like a path of least resistance and rupture boundaries between mantle and outer to inner core leading to an explosion and fluid mechanics situation able to propel the largest asteroids into orbit. That explosion is going to run straight up its main channel, bypassing the smaller percolation shunt made by the pile.
One final effect may result from the taking hold of the shield formation which would act as a pressure tamping nozzle to propel fragments of the core itself into orbit?what would remain white hot and outgassing as they drifted through the inner solar system?as the lithosphere gravitationally re-assumed self organizing equilibria through depressurized outflow from its center mass. The crater walls in the caldera of Mons Olympus are so sheer and smooth, blasted in crisp definition they light up like a mirror when the sun reflects off them to orbiting satellite cameras.
Why Mars crumpled up the way it does is another geodynamics problem involving angular momentum and continental blocks, also the asymmetry in the loading of core ejecta pressure on that hemisphere. It could favor the implosion of istostacy in conservation of angular momentum based on that one imbalance in internal hydrostatic pressure field. It?s like the normal hydro gravity term plus or minus that one differential lossy interior pressure term. It results in a Pascal Principle rotational symmetric vessel differentiation. The side without cumulative outflow port pressure (greater than inequality) added to its vessel half loses the cave-in question because there is a homoclinic orbit, pressure basin separator on the plane of the equator. This refers to the North-South hemispheric elevation step running around the equator.
This also lends explanation to the other Mons and Tholus clusters to either side, (with the northern hemisphere having more total volcanoes and tholus structures) as well as debating the scientific basis for purporting an ?inscribed tetrahedron? geometric theory without elaborative polyscientific synthesis accounting the inertial, particle free body gravito-fluid dynamic and energy diagram.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 6, 2008 11:17 AM
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This MJ-12 tabloid stuff is off the topic and completely useless. You're only weakening the plainly obvious by retreating to some fictional voucher of spooky black government fish stories.
The academic literature is leaps and bounds beyond that nonsense, argues from the sciences and can read the book of nature evidently bypassing the childishness of officious secrecy keeping. That's just a cultural ignorance grudge dirty old men like to fantasize about.
On the topic, the mummy's dark coloration does suggest hair pigmentation is the color value standing out in the photograph. It may be a completely frozen cadaver like so many animals found in permafrost, i.e. mammoths.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 6, 2008 6:45 PM
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Well I agree with the first paragraph.
The second is pretty much gibberish.
The third is unproven. It's a bad picture of a rock. Could be anything, but I'm betting on rock.
> This MJ-12 tabloid stuff is off the topic and
> completely useless. You're only weakening the
> plainly obvious by retreating to some fictional
> voucher of spooky black government fish stories.
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> The academic literature is leaps and bounds beyond
> that nonsense, argues from the sciences and can read
> the book of nature evidently bypassing the
> childishness of officious secrecy keeping. That's
> just a cultural ignorance grudge dirty old men like
> to fantasize about.
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> On the topic, the mummy's dark coloration does
> suggest hair pigmentation is the color value standing
> out in the photograph. It may be a completely frozen
> cadaver like so many animals found in permafrost,
> i.e. mammoths.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 6, 2008 8:01 PM
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Basically what he's saying is that there was a giant catastrophe on Mars. This was caused by some unnamed group stroing massive quantites of nuclear waste in a giant pool of water, until it finally exploded and destroyed much of the area and changed the structure of the planet. Probably he's using it to explain his topic "Volcanic Ash Mummy Like Pompeii's--on Mars!", although he never actually explains so.
Well...where to begin.
For a change he lists two resources for this. The first, "Cataclysm!--compelling evidence of a cosmic catastrophe in 9500B.C., by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair", I can only find 5 references for through Google. One is in German, one is a Planet X website, one this topic, one is an actual summary and review, and the last is Aamzon. (Amazon's one star reviews make for quite interesting reading.) It appears the book suggests a terrible castrophy that destroyed civilization, wiped out species, stopped the planets roation and reformed the planet over night. Basically it appears to be a retelling of the long discredited idea of Catastrophism, especially reminiscent of Immanuel Velikovsky's views. This has been discredited since well before I was born.
The second book is "Theories of Earth and Universe--a history of dogma in the earth sciences, Carey, S. Warren, Stanford University Press, Stanford, California, 1988. Many more webpage hits for this, but it seems to come down to the theory that the Earth is expanding outwards in size. This theory has also never been accepted by mainstream scientists.
Now, I know someone is going to say "You didn't actually read them.". Your right, I didn't, but they cost 80 bucks each. Feel free to buy them for me.
Now what either of these have to do with his theory below them is unclear.
In fact his idea is so ridiculous I won't even waste my time pointing out the flaws I can see.
Although some obvious ones are:
"How would you know this?"
"Why would anyone do this?"
"What about the other commonly accepted theories?"
"And who would be so stupid they didn't realize what was happening?"
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 7, 2008 11:02 AM
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Reference to the State of Washington is just a convenience, it's actually smaller than Arizona, thus the tighter comparison is only augmented. Leaping on that for a quick criticism demonstrates no tact with what the main point is, and sticking the foot in the mouth too.
All the famous volcanos in the states are in Wasnington, so if you could restrain yourself from quibbling unnecessarily...
The books Cataclysm and Theories of Earth and Universe are by authors with impeccable credentials, there are hundreds of references to supportive studies and mainstream working scientists' own published findings in professional journals and treatises to back Cary up as well as Alan and Delair.
So let's not ignore the academic literature so hastily or in such an arrogant manner as to neglect opening them up to see the veritable scientific community cited verbatim in them.
The stars on Amazon.com mean nothing--get real.
Blank statements without citation: ."..never been accepted by scientists", is attempting to weigh into the certified scientific bibliography of the literature presented without offering any work of contradiction on an equal par--that is woefully sophomoric, even kindergarten.
If you resent or don't like the material offered in this post topic thread, why don't you move on and find something else?
(the above is an example of rebuttal without all the redundant quoting strings that are not engaged on their own merit by the synthetically brainless attacks from detractors here)
Since opponents offer no alternate, compelling and cohesive theory addressing the many integrated anomalies found on Mars, and one that correlates them into reasonable cause and effect from the initial conditions of a catastrophe to the final state of the lithosphere and asteroidal bodies--they are whistling in the wind and apparently too under educated to know how they come across, as punks with nothing to offer.
You can't simply copy and then regurgitate people's words verbatim and pretend it's any effort to "translate them into English" or interpret them. How completely arrogant and inane.
The problem seems to be that CvilleDon has no fluency with the English language to being to deal with it, then thinks the copying disguise will compensate. The problem as said before, seems to be one of inferior programming skills at LISP or some other language.
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 7, 2008 11:20 AM
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I hate to point this out, but you didn't explain why you were refrencing Washington. It just seemed like you had randomly tossed it in for no particular reason. Having read some of your writings, I see that is actually part of your writing style. And I didn't criticize it, I couldn't figure out why you put it in.
Both of, what appears to be, the main arguements of both of those books has been discounted generations ago. One of the books supposedly presents information that was outdated a century ago as current. Neither book is within the mainstream scientific theory.
Ignoring mainstream science to embrace pseudoscience is fine. If you can back up that pseudoscience with provable facts. Which, you quite clearly, can not.
Now I have been nice. You spout out nonsense and pretend it's a well thought out, conscise arguement; it's not. It's badly written, disorganized, arrogant, much of it is outright gibberish, lacking in basic science and any theory you want to present is never explained.
Ignorance is bliss, only to the ignorant.
> Reference to the State of Washington is just a
> convenience, it's actually smaller than Arizona, thus
> the tighter comparison is only augmented. Leaping on
> that for a quick criticism demonstrates no tact with
> what the main point is, and sticking the foot in the
> mouth too.
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> All the famous volcanos in the states are in
> Wasnington, so if you could restrain yourself from
> quibbling unnecessarily...
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> The books Cataclysm and Theories of Earth and
> Universe are by authors with impeccable credentials,
> there are hundreds of references to supportive
> studies and mainstream working scientists' own
> published findings in professional journals and
> treatises to back Cary up as well as Alan and Delair.
>
>
> So let's not ignore the academic literature so
> hastily or in such an arrogant manner as to neglect
> opening them up to see the veritable scientific
> community cited verbatim in them.
>
> The stars on Amazon.com mean nothing--get real.
>
> Blank statements without citation: ...never been
> accepted by scientists, is attempting to weigh into
> the certified scientific bibliography of the
> literature presented, without offering any work of
> contradiction on an equal par--that is woefully
> sophomoric, even kindergarten.
>
> If you resent or don't like the material offered in
> this post topic thread, why don't you move on and
> find something else?
>
> (the above is an example of rebuttal without all the
> redundant quoting strings that are not engaged on
> their own merit by the synthetically brainless
> attacks from detractors here)
>
> Since opponents offer no alternate, compelling and
> cohesive theory addressing the many integrated
> anomalies found on Mars, and one that correlates them
> into reasonable cause and effect from the initial
> conditions of a catastrophe to the final state of the
> lithosphere and asteroidal bodies--they are whistling
> in the wind and apparently too under educated to know
> how they come across, as punks with nothing to offer.
>
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Re: Volcanic Ash Mummy like Pompeii's--on Mars!
Oct 8, 2008 9:52 AM
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Mars? etiology of conditions and surrounding asteroids supports the same model, as do asteroid morphologies, and the mythologies of different people all over the world accounting a traditional story, seeing a ?star attached to the planet Mars?, and the upheavals of the cataclysm, i.e. Great Flood.
Allan & Delair have a thoroughly researched presentation crammed with more details than anyone could pretend to skip through in a light reading. I never knew there were oriented lakes and Carolina Bays like them throughout the world, found to be consistent with grazing bombardment of meteoric showers, and probably very round meteorites, like the stone spheres of Nicaragua?the natural ones, not the manmade tribute carvings. It turns out spheres can almost fly when they?re up to speed and momentum, as anyone who?s played dodge-ball could tell. And they revolve, converting momentum on tangential contact into another mode of conveyance, leaving deep, elongated, gouged out skid-marks.
They examine the paleoforensics of fossil deposits, erratic boulders, petroglyphs, linguistics. It?s amazing. [ibid, Cataclysm!]
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