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Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 6, 2009 9:07 AM
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I found a list of Confederate Patents listed in Civil War Collector's Encyclopedia pages 351, 352 & 353 which led me to do a online search and found a similar list.
http://www.myoutbox.net/popchapx.htm
I had not heard of the Phidello Hall Breech-loading automatic gun and wonder if anyone has information on it?
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 6, 2009 9:11 AM
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This is all I have found so far;
Report of the Richmond Examiner of August 12, 1861:
"A patent bas been issued to P.W. Hall for a revolving rifle. The barrels are worked by a revolving cylinder, which forms the breech of the gun and the revolution of which loads with powder and ball and caps from receptacles in proper place and turn. All this is done automatically."
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 6, 2009 5:29 PM
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> This is all I have found so far;
> Report of the Richmond Examiner of August 12, 1861:
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> "A patent bas been issued to P.W. Hall for a
> revolving rifle. The barrels are worked by a
> revolving cylinder, which forms the breech of the gun
> and the revolution of which loads with powder and
> ball and caps from receptacles in proper place and
> turn. All this is done automatically."
>
Sounds like the Colt revolving rifle or carbine which was a failure as flashback often ignited the other paper cartridges in the cylinder.
What happened to patents registered during the war? Would the USA recognize them? How about after the war, were they rolled into the US system?
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 6, 2009 7:02 PM
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According to the author "no report for 1865 could be found and the patents themselves were not to be found in the Nation Archives.
I find this;
"Phidello Hall of Springfield, TX for
Automatic Breech Loading Gun "
Which would indicate it was a auto loading weapon. One description sounded more like a Gatlin Gun except it refers to a rotating breach. Sounds interesting;
I did a search on the patent holder and discovered a interesting story;
http://www.tamu.edu/baum/ScalawagVigilante.htm
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 6, 2009 7:29 PM
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In this is book;
http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Collectors-Encyclopedia-Volumes/dp/0785804676
There is a list of contractors for both sides and what was provided, it is a truly amazing list! Everything from haversacks and belt buckles to vapor bathes and writing kits!
This is a sample of the Southern Contractors;
Portable Breastworks H.T. Hartman of Rockbridge County Va.
Machine Gun, R. S. Williams of Covington Ky. A 1-pounder machine gun with a range of 2,000 yards, used at the Battle of Seven Pines.
33 knife makers, 38 pike makers, 47 sword makers, (by name and location)the list goes on.
A interesting section is the canteens, the North had a canteen with a built in filler tube filled with charcoal to filter impurity's. Most of the medical devices look like terror weapons!
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 7, 2009 5:08 AM
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> > This is all I have found so far;
> > Report of the Richmond Examiner of August 12,
> 1861:
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> > "A patent bas been issued to P.W. Hall for a
> > revolving rifle.
This sounds a little different than the colt.
The barrels are worked by a
> > revolving cylinder,
There appears to be more than one barrel.
which forms the breech of
> the gun
> > and the revolution of which loads with powder
> and
> > ball and caps from receptacles in proper place
> and
> > turn. All this is done automatically."
> >
> Sounds like the Colt revolving rifle or carbine which
> was a failure as flashback often ignited the other
> paper cartridges in the cylinder.
>
> What happened to patents registered during the war?
> Would the USA recognize them? How about after the
> war, were they rolled into the US system?
>
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> Pat
Just an observation.
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 7, 2009 11:51 AM
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I agree Vareb, I find two descriptions though, one mentions a "autoloading" weapon, one describes a "revolving" rifle.
Maybe it was more like a Gatlin Gun?
It would be interesting to see the drawing of it on the patent application.
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Re: Confederate Patents 1861-1865
Nov 8, 2009 8:49 AM
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The reality and problem in the Confederate states was not inventiveness. The problem was the lack of industrial production.
The Confederacy had many inventions at their disposal and were unable to produce them or in necessary quantity. Of course, they worked on a machine gun and phosphorous shells, but never for war production.
It had the capacity to produce rails for railroads, but never for actually producing rails for railroads. Most of the available production of rails were made for sheathing for what ironclads they could produce.
Confederates only had enough foundries for some of their military materiel production. Not for production of war materials and of sufficient demand for civilian plows, together.
In the end the problem wasn't Confederate inventiveness, but the simple mistake of totally underestimating their total material needs, from the southern states, during the war.
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