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Re: Anybody care to demonstrate that secession was illegal in 1860
Nov 18, 2008 8:55 PM
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historicus,
I labor with no problem, as I know what the resolutions were intended for.
Again, you fail to recognize that these resolutions did not bring about any laws, nor any new legislation, as they were nonbinding.
Language can be shortened or left off entirely, as it was when you only produced a fragment of the resolutions. This, in my view, is a drastic alteration of the intent and purpose of the resolutions, but you know this.
icepick and you have made statements, and that is what I will agree to.
If you are going to stoop to insult instead of answers (as we know I do not speak for this entire forum, I only reply to you) it shows that you really have no answers, but are falling back on the tactic of smoke and mirrors, distraction and misdirection. This explains a lot for me.
And no, we are not moving on, as you have started a new thread where I have answered your question.
I await your evidence there.
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Re: Anybody care to demonstrate that secession was illegal in 1860
Nov 19, 2008 6:17 AM
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>On what date did the States Lose that Sovereignty..
You point to the year.
Can point to the date...and the pronouncement that the States were losing their Sovereignties?
Can you point to the States acknowledging such a complete transformation of their powers?
But what is recorded is just the opposite...
"The right to resume"....which was accepted without debate.
You would think there would be some mention somewhere, sometime..... that the States were losing their Sovereignty.....if in fact it did occur.
Some mention...some words...some documentation....
of something you SAID occurred....but seems not to have any indication...
Is it your imagination?
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Re: Anybody care to demonstrate that secession was illegal in 1860
Nov 19, 2008 10:29 AM
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I can demonstrate that it was illegal after 1865 the only right of secession is that of revolution exactly the same right that the south used to secede. No other rational legal or otherwise is necessary.
I can also demonstrate that untill the nulification crisis and Calhoun's radical version of states rights taking over from the conventional view of states rights as held by southers such as Jackson and madison that secession would never have taken place in a sectional way as it did.
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Re: Anybody care to demonstrate that secession was illegal in 1860
Nov 19, 2008 9:48 PM
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historicus,
It seems that deleting my posts is getting popular again, so, once more I will reply to your post above.
I wish you would cut out the backhanded comments like "Is it your imagination?"
I also wish you would actually reply with some evidence or source documents instead of constantly just making comments that prove or deny nothing.
Ask a specific question, you will get a specific answer, but make it worth my while and then read quickly, as any serious post seems to have a touch of "Brian's revenge."
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Re: Anybody care to demonstrate that secession was illegal in 1860
Nov 20, 2008 4:52 AM
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Unionblue
The deletion habit has become rampant lately. Pat, and others, have been giving their index finger quite a workout.
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