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Breaking Vegas/ Dice Control
Jun 15, 2005 9:16 AM
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Last evening's program was a pathetic misrepresentation of the facts.
Whomever is responsible for producing that program did a disservice to The History Channel, and I have just about lost all of my respect for your ability to protray reality.
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Re: Breaking Vegas/ Dice Control
Jun 15, 2005 10:34 AM
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Could not agree more! As one who is familiar with the truth regarding the Rosebud Team and "The Dominator's" antics I can attest that the program "Dice Dominator" was 99% fiction.
I am shocked that The History Channel would air this total fabrication. I am sure that those watching who do not know the facts assume that the facts are as they were presented in the program. After all this is the HISTORY Channel!
Hell I thought what I was watching over the years on the History Channel was factually based, but never again. Hense forth I will refer to it as the "Revisionist History Channel". As for Dominic and Frank how could you lie to natonal TV audience and betray J.P. and live with yourselves( nevermind I know). And for the Revisionist History Channel maybe you should consider hiring Dan Rather as a fact checker.
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Re: Breaking Vegas/ Dice Control
Jun 15, 2005 2:48 PM
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To the Producer of
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Jun 16, 2005 2:51 PM
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I was fascinated by the show on dice control as I have read several of Scoblete's books about the Captain and the origins of the modern dice control movement. I have not yet perfected a throw of my own but I intend to after seeing this show.
Dominator and Scoblete are some team and I appreciated giving us the background to their great achievements. I was lucky to play in the casino with them about two months ago and Scoblete had a roll of over 50 numbers. It was an amazing thing to witness. Dominator had several good rolls too.
That convinced me that dice control was real. Your excellent show convinced me that it is possible with great practice and a lot of guts to get the edge over the house.
Thanks for such a great television show.
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Jun 16, 2005 6:31 PM
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First I love this whole series! I thought the episode "Dice Dominator" was great! I am an avid craps player. It certainly sounds to me like Mrs. Parker has an ax to grind. After all she mentions her husband's website in her post. I wonder if the other negative posts about this show are all related to her@! I checked it out and Dominator has a website as well and teaches so it makes sense to me that Mrs. Parker would write this.
To the producers of the show, you did a great job on this episode and the others.
Everyone should catch this show!
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Jun 16, 2005 8:05 PM
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This episode of the Dice Dominator was just terrific! The graphics that the History channel showed with the dice flowing thru the air was exciting. This was the first episode of Breaking Vegas where we viewers could really learn something about beating the casinos without cheating. The producers spent a lot of time explain what Dom was doing and the amount of practice it took to acheive his success. the writing was fantastic and the show kept me in suspense, wanting more!
And it didn't hurt that The Dominator was one sexy looking guy!
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Jun 16, 2005 11:23 PM
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I am truly dissapointed in the History Channel. If the "Dice Dominator" episode is representative of your research and fact-checking, I can only wonder what you have done with more historically controversial subjects.
First Frank Scoblete and Domenic are shameless and ceaseless self-promotors. They offer classes in dice control at about $1300 for a weekend seminar. They have every financial incentive to inflate their own story. There were no opposing points of view presented. Essintially this was an hour long infomercial for their business.
In every other Breaking Vegas episode the science or skill was much more thouroghly explained, here we were left to take it an the word of a couple of salesmen.
On other websites all the participants in the "Rosebud Team" and Dom himself have refuted the version of events put forth in the show. I wonder then, were you mislead by the principles during the writing of the show or are they lying now?
I have met Mrs Parker and I doubt she has any reason to lie about her experiences. Rather, I think she has an interest in correcting a falsehood being perpetrated by contributing truth that she knows contradicts it.
It seems that the reasearch was done inside a small mutual admiration society and fact checking was limited at best. I expected more from the History Channel. I hope this is not indicative of future shows.
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Dice Cat is WRONG and knows it
Jun 17, 2005 1:03 PM
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I just rewatched the History Channel show Dice Dominatorand there were no references to the Golden Touch Craps dice control seminars at all. You never get the impression that Scoblete and Dominator do indeed teach dice control classes. Only Paulicki was mentioned as a teacher but it didn't explain that he teaches in the Golden Touch group with Scoblete and Dominator at www.goldentouchcraps.com.
So where do you get this idea that they self promoted their seminars? Since you know Beth and you know the story of everything, I assume you are with an opposing camp of dice controllers looking to hurt Dominator and Scoblete's business. That's cheap.
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Re: Dice Cat is WRONG and knows it
Jun 17, 2005 2:51 PM
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Although the program was entertaining, it is unfortunate that the HC did not put a disclaimer that this was a fictional account based loosely on historical events.
What is even more discouraging is the Sock-Puppets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet) who are posting to this thread (Bryan Kirkman, DiceMike1, Susan Ferguson) whose posts read like infomercials and have a striking similarity to posts on other forums, including the book reviews on Amazon for FS
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Re: Breaking Vegas/ Dice Control
Jun 17, 2005 8:11 PM
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Wow...
its almost comical how competitive this field is- that is the thought I 1st had when calling Dom (with GTC) to find out how much they charged for classes, and why they would be better than other people teaching the same type of classes. I thought he would have plenty to say about why they were better since they were priced almost 3x's as much, in reality he did not give me one reason his (GTC) class was better or what they did different, only that everyone else didnt know what they were talking about and were "self proclaimed" Dice influencers. Needless to say I did not choose his class as it was over priced and I never got the reasoning.
Here is a thought, if he and his partner (Frank Scoblete) can "make millions" beating the casinos why waste time on teaching an over priced class? Why not hide what you do and continue doing it? Is it because they just like teaching others? If so then why charge so much? Maybe becasue of the high overhead of teaching such a class you say,.. maybe not as others can conduct the classes for less than half of the price. Maybe you get more from the class...again maybe not. I have talked with pople who have actually taken a few diferent classes and said they would not reccommend it (the GTC class) due to over crowding and over pricing, in fact, I heard one guy stood up and said you guys are full of it. Im not going to turn this into a which class to take issue as I myself dabble in Dice influencing and preffer noone else take any classes, noone else write any books, and noone else make any shows on it fictional or not!
The main purpose of this note is to slap Bryan Kirkman & DiceMike1 in the face for their blatant ignorance and disrespect for Beth and "other camps" as they say.
Bryan- your right they dont self promote they downplay all the others while they have their hench men ie. YOU promote- although you must not have seen other specials with them.
Dicemike- Hiding behind a "call name" and writing all other "negative" posts are related to Beth is rediculous in itself. It is obvious that anyone who knows anything about this subject matter has spoken with a negative response. It is once again comical how niether of you have actually argued the points that are said in these negaitve responses yet you simply say the responses are trying to "hurt Frank Scoblete, Frank Scoblete, et al". Frankly I could care less but I have a fact that does not discount the GTC at all but instead points directly to the facts- why when I go to the golden touch craps site do I see Chris P. as an instructor? I thought Dom broke off from "his" mentor becasue he wanted to make more money and Chris P. wanted to stay behind the scenes- its kinda hard to stay behind the scenes when you teach classes, appear on TV shows, Write Books etc.
I also find it funny that it isnt until after negative posts that any positive posts are made. Im sure history will repeat itself and more positive posts will be made to try and discount the negatives- all I ask is please stick to the facts and truths and dont say how good GTC is or Dom is etc lets not use the HC's forum as a promotion playground I see enough adds during the day.
-Straight Shooter
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Straight Shooter's Crooked Aim
Jun 18, 2005 3:21 PM
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So Straight Shooter is with another would-be dice teacher, another would-be competitor of Scoblete and Golden Touch Craps, and a partner with Beth's husband in cheapo dice classes and "fests" that draw minimal numbers of people.
It's not hard to figure why he's posting all over the Internet about the show. It's called JEALOUSY. The show was titled Dice Dominator.
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Re: Straight Shooter's Crooked Aim
Jun 18, 2005 5:21 PM
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I wont get into a pissing match over which instructors are better but Bryan, thank you for proving my point in that you cannot, (nor anyone else for that matter) object to the things that were said in any of the above as you say "negative" posts. If you did read, the claim on any of these posts, with the except yours, was not which outfit is better or worse just that the facts of the story are far from factual. If you dont have anything further to add to the actual context of this thread then I will have to let my daughter, an aspiring 8 yr old attorney take over posting for me as she would love to sit here and go back and forth with you over meaningless conversation. I myself dont find the humor in your claims of people being with this outfit or that etc etc when you have no knowledge of the mater at all.
-Straight Shooter
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Re: Breaking Vegas/ Dice Control
Jun 25, 2005 4:01 PM
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Just a friendly PSA:
Before you get your hopes up and think that you can "Break Vegas," especially at the Craps tables, think about this:
Look at the inside walls of a Craps table closely. Note the texture: shapes, angles, and proximity of those green pyramids, which some in the industry call the "alligator tail," among other names. Do you really think that there is any way to control the outcome of the roll, once the dice have hit that? Why do you think that every Craps table has that, for decoration? And why do the casino staff at the table insist that you hit the wall?
In the decades that I have been in the casino business, I have yet to see any evidence that supports a person's ability to control dice shots legitimately.
And Sanford Wong? I do consider him to be one of the most respectable experts on Blackjack, but questionable in the dice pit. This seems to be a new venture for him.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Craps game from both sides of the table. I've been there, in Vegas, Atlantic City, Reno, the Indian casinos, Canada, and the Caribbean (as a casual player, dealer, boxperson, floorperson, pit boss, and a consultant). It is definitely a fast paced, more exciting game, for me, than any other, and I enjoy being around it. But like most other casino games, the odds are against you. Just look around you when you are in the casino. How do you think the casino can pay for all of that: architecture, machines, decor, employees, electricity, etc.?
So save that money that you were going to use for the dice control lessons, put it in your bankroll, and enjoy the game of Craps, win or lose.
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Re: Breaking Vegas/ Dice Control
May 26, 2008 7:10 PM
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I just came back from playing craps in Tunica. While I was there, I noticed several people setting dice and attempting to control a throw. Some did well and some did not. There seems to be much contention on whether or not one can control the outcome of a pair of dice by some prior manipulation coupled with a controlled throw. I decided that there must be an experimental way to settle this sort of dispute if only for my personal satisfaction. I computed the probability of throwing multiple sevens within a given number of throws using the binomial distribution and finally settled on a challenge. If someone could throw 18 or more sevens within 27 total throws of the dice, then I would believe that there might me be something to controlled throwing. The probability of this is about 1 in 1 trillion. I haven't seen the special on the history channel, but I intend to watch it to gain some more insight. Maybe I'm way off the mark here, but I tend to think it's mostly bogus.
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