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Dec 2, 2003 12:00 AM
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If we can create a machine to split water atoms to create separate Oxygen and Hydrogen and use the Hydrogen molecules to create electricity to turn an electric motor which then turns back into water, why doesn't fuel cell technology consist of recapturing the exhaust, water, and splitting the atom over again creating a 100% efficient/recyclable fuel tech.
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Dec 2, 2003 12:03 PM
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"create a machine to split water atoms" just so you know, its called electrolysis. its been around for many many years...it just impractical to get your hydrogen that way because it would need more energy to use electrolysis then the hydrogen would produce itself!
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Dec 2, 2003 3:32 PM
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I am pretty sure that it isnt the process that is the problem. The problem with the whole procedure is the metal needed to go along with it. I believe it was platinum, not too certain on that. An interesting fact is that many scientists have been killed over this matter. (oil companies doings?) But i agree, it would definitely be great.
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Dec 2, 2003 6:55 PM
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We have been able to use the process of separating water atoms for many years. The problem is that Hydrogen and Oxygen are highly explosive when mixed together. We (as to my knowledge) have been able to unite the two with a positive result.
Truth is as fleeting as the wind, but it is always there.
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Jan 24, 2006 2:53 PM
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PJM,
Until the earth is absolutly out of oil, I seriously doubt that the oil companies will ever let some smart people develope the hydrogen process for wide spread, commercial use. The oil companies have a viable money maker in the oil they supply and would be doing their shareholders a great disservise by spending "hard earned dividends" on developing a system that is in it's infancy and promises no immediate monetary return. They all want their money now. Hydrogen is ever plentiful as the earth is 3 quarters water and the fuel process destroys nothing.
Let's all hope that the U.S. corners the market and does not devulge the information to any countries and we can keep the world under our thumb for a change. I just remebered, we don't even own a country, the world owns our country. Poop!
Boris
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Jan 18, 2007 7:04 PM
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I think this:
Electrolysis can produce hydrogen and hydrogen can be burned to run a motor and a motor can drive a generator and generator can produce electricity and electricity is all that is needed for electrolysis.
It is just a coincidence of nature that electrolysis does not produce enough hydrogen / energy to sustain itself? Burning water is a good idea but mother nature is cruel and crued is king.
If you can imporove the electrolysis, motor, generator, and back to electroliysis loop beyond self sustaining you've got something that will save the planet and improve our relationship with mother nature. You would be a GOD in my book.
The solution can be to improve or eliminate components but if you invent it the car manufacturers will kill you if you try to go public with it. Ha Ha Ha. More likely you will blow yourself up.
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Jan 21, 2007 5:05 PM
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To be or not to be, that is the qestion.
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Mar 26, 2007 12:03 PM
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> To be or not to be, that is the qestion.
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> Edited by marine1 at 03/26/2007 12:03 PM
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Edited by marine1 at 03/26/2007 12:04 PM
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You know it.
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Apr 26, 2007 6:10 AM
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Too many conversions in the entire process.
Any time energy is converted to one form from another, there is a certain percentage that is lost to heat or other efficiency zappers.
In this case, it just takes too much energy to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen by way of electricity.
You can find a chemical reaction that would be a lot more efficient but now you have to contend with any products of the reaction that are harmfull or useless.
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Mar 19, 2008 11:27 AM
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> PJM,
> Until the earth is absolutly out of oil, I seriously
> doubt that the oil companies will ever let some smart
> people develope the hydrogen process for wide spread,
> commercial use. The oil companies have a viable money
> maker in the oil they supply and would be doing their
> shareholders a great disservise by spending "hard
> earned dividends" on developing a system that is in
> it's infancy and promises no immediate monetary
> return. They all want their money now. Hydrogen is
> ever plentiful as the earth is 3 quarters water and
> the fuel process destroys nothing.
> Let's all hope that the U.S. corners the market and
> does not devulge the information to any countries and
> we can keep the world under our thumb for a change. I
> just remebered, we don't even own a country, the
> world owns our country. Poop!
> Boris
I've always had problems with this theory.
They are smart enough to keep energy under their control, but too stupid to recognize they could take control over the next energy source????
What's wrong with this picture?
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May 4, 2008 8:09 PM
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> If we can create a machine to split water atoms to
> create separate Oxygen and Hydrogen and use the
> Hydrogen molecules to create electricity to turn an
> electric motor which then turns back into water, why
> doesn't fuel cell technology consist of recapturing
> the exhaust, water, and splitting the atom over again
> creating a 100% efficient/recyclable fuel tech.
Wouldn't it be just as easy oxydize oil and make a machine that would seperate the carbon from the oxygen
creating a 100% efficient/recyclable fuel tech? Doh!
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