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May 13, 2009 1:08 PM
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Who would win in a War?(give me a good reason)
A USA
B Russia
C China
D Israel
E UK
F Germany
G you give a nation and a reason
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Re: Who would win in a War?
May 31, 2009 2:45 PM
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What are the matchups whos fightin who?
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Jul 9, 2009 6:49 PM
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China would win
Im From United States of America, and my reason being, the united states military isnt as strong as it used to be, its much more evenly matched with the other superpowers now. China has the resources, the soldiers, and the generals to defeat the united states in combat. The only problem i could see, is that the Chinese civilians might riot, or start a revolution against their corrupt and cruel government mid-war, which would allow the united states to be victorious.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Jul 14, 2009 7:24 AM
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I suppose you've got give scenarios: Nuclear or conventional war?
Conventional war would lead to stalemates between the big powers.
China is very much where the US or maybe Russia was before WWII, a sleeping manufacturing giant with reasonable technology but huge resources.
The US has an undoubted tech advantage over everybody else and is the only Superpower left with real ability to project power. China would not be able to hit much of the US if at all given the likely defensive network the US has whereas the US has real ability to hit deep into opposing territory.
The thing is that China could probably absorb every single conventional weapon the US has in its arsenal and still be in a position to continue to produce and fight albeit at a low tech level. You're then into a straight race to see who can produce weapons at a quicker pace. I don't believe the US could defeat China in a conventional, long drawn out war. On the otherhand I can't see how China could defeat US Airpower let alone invade so thats a stalemate at the Chinese frontier.
Russia v US would be something similar except that Russia still has a submarine and deep strike capability so would hurt US more than China ever could. Although post Cold War US should've figured out how to see off a lot of Russian missiles, Starwars? US offensive would have a bigger impact on Russia than China but again its unlikely either could successfully invade the other. Result: Stalemate over Greenland
No-one else mentioned could defeat either China or US on their own with their current offensive capabilities.
Russia v China would be a real slug fest but again China's manufacturing capability should see them gain ground until supply lines allow Russia's superior interdiction capabilities bring them to a halt. Result: Stalemate well into Russian territory.
You haven't mentioned India whose capabilities right now are probably close to UK or Germany individually (although UK submarines give it a real edge in power projection). But there's a little known mountain range known as the spine of he world keeping these two apart which should mean any offensive should get bogged down coming through Bangladesh but India is the one Country which could match China in a war fo attrition. Result: Stalemate in Bangladesh
Israel have little to offer offensively on a big scale, limited to a high tech war where they will gain air superiority within say 400 miles of Israeli bases but don't have the manpower to occupy large areas. Result: will see off any second teir invader but limited capability to occupy.
You've got to remember that most moden armies are geared for defensive duties and not power projeciton, look at the UK in the Falklands, they were at their limit to retake a small island held by forces far form their home base. If the Argies had sunk the Atlantic Conveyor a week earlier they'd probably have won, it was that close. And that was with the UK's army at Cold War(ish) levels far from where they are now.
Bottom line: Western airpower has proven superior to everything the East has developed up to the Su 27/30 (to the best of my knowledge no modern Nato fighter (i.e. F teen and on) has fallen to its Eastern counterpart (I believe any Iranian F14 losses were to Mirages not migs), all recently recorded losses have been to SAM's. F22 is way above everything else. Su 27 will get at best parity with F15/F16/F18 and should lag behind Eurofighter/Rafale/F35. This puts any East West war with Western air superiority but a likely inability to push that to outright victory on the ground. A west-west war would be a straight war of attrition with whoever has the best supply line gaining territory before stalemate.
Nuclear scenario:
Don't go there. Nobody wins, the guys on the space station get a big fireworks display and then realie they're going to die of starvation.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 10, 2009 2:38 PM
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With reference to Russia v US, our SOSUS network in the Pacific gives us (the US) a distinct advantage. Assuming a strictly conventional war, we wouldn't have to worry about their boomers, just their noisy Alfa class fast-attack subs.
The only reason any Western-designed aircraft have fallen behind Eastern aircraft is the people flying them. No American-trained pilot is going to lose to a Russian-trained pilot in similar aircraft. And in regards to the Iranian F-14s, those were doomed to failure before we even sent them. Read up on them. We sabotaged the planes. They had no spare parts.
The US military has a lot more power than people give it credit for.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 13, 2009 8:18 AM
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Hey F14lover,
I didn't mean to dis the F14, I'm probably one of the biggest F14 fans this side of the Atlantic and have managed to buy just about every F14 book I can get my greedy hands on! I even have the ops manual! So I'm pretty well read up on them.
I think if you ask any Iranian, or even Iraqi for that matter, if the F14 was a failure you will get a very different opinion. They dominated the air war in that region for many years, degraded ability or not. And the shoot downs happened at the very end of the war when most of the US trained pilots would have been out of commision and the planes operating on Iranian developed spares and such. They Iraqis also had a new missile with associated change in tactics that the Iranians hadn't come across before so were probably caught on the hop.
But the facts are the F14 is the only teen fighter to have been downed air to air.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 13, 2009 12:53 PM
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I'm what you would call an overly-patriotic American, and when it comes to stats like that on American planes, USAF and USN stats. 
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 14, 2009 4:37 PM
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Several nations are powerful the U.S. is a powerful nation in its army and marines the U.K. has a powerful navy which would cause problems for a invasion or blockade china has not the best but the most largest army on Earth and there is still north korea with the nuclear missiles those are my suggestions but there is also the suggestion of diplomacy
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 14, 2009 4:38 PM
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Several nations are powerful the U.S. is a powerful nation in its army and marines the U.K. has a powerful navy which would cause problems for a invasion or blockade china has not the best but the most largest army on Earth and there is still north korea with the nuclear missiles those are my suggestions but there is also the suggestion of diplomacy
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 15, 2009 6:37 AM
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Um, no, the British Navy hasn't been very strong in a LONG time. With the Nimitz class carriers and the Los Angeles and Ohio class submarines, nothing comes close to the US Navy.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 15, 2009 10:36 PM
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The last time the Royal Navy attempted any serious measure of power projection was almost thirty years ago in the Falklands. It was not exactly an unqualified success.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 24, 2009 12:51 PM
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the US will destroy China..we have a way beter AF and our troops are more motivated... we also have better tanks and other armore vehicles.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 24, 2009 1:59 PM
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"Nothing'll stop the US Air Foooooooorce!" Sorry, that song is always stuck in my head.
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Aug 27, 2009 9:56 AM
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The trouble with saying that US airforce is better than China is that there would be limited contact between USAF and China - B1-B and B2 only.
Air superiority would have to first be gained by US Navy and F18 v Su 27/30 is marginal enough situation which the JSF will not improve significantly. USN would be doing very well to average much above parity in an agressive stance (probably do fine defensively)
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Re: Who would win in a War?
Sep 6, 2009 9:04 PM
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Except that China has enough troops and equioment to simply overwhelm us with sheer numbers.
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