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May 25, 2007 10:29 PM
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What rifle would you rather have been issued during Vietnam War, the M-16A1 or the M-14?
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May 26, 2007 9:32 AM
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M-16a1 probably. Light, I can carry more ammo, less recoil, stuff along those lines. Me personally after reading the book Guns Up I would have wanted to be an M-60 gunner. Sure you have to clean it 2-3 times a day and carry it, but it has a lot of power.
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May 26, 2007 12:04 PM
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I honestly can't make up my mind.
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May 26, 2007 12:39 PM
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>Me personally after reading the book Guns Up I would have wanted to be an M-60 gunner.
I heard that m-60 gunners in vietnam had a very short life expectancy, and i think im gonna open the doors to this subject more to which gun of all guns available to you during vietnam would you rather have carried.
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Well its true that the M-14 is a good weapon, its got accuracy and no doubt its got knock down power. I just can't see it as a good jungle weapon. Its heavy, long, and a trooper can't carry as much ammo. Along with the decision i made in my first post, I would not spray down an area with the 16 A-1 like some troops did. They don't put sites on rifles for nothing. What would you take CherryShaking?
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May 26, 2007 7:47 PM
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> Well its true that the M-14 is a good weapon, its got
> accuracy and no doubt its got knock down power. I
> just can't see it as a good jungle weapon. Its heavy,
> long, and a trooper can't carry as much ammo. Along
> with the decision i made in my first post, I would
> not spray down an area with the 16 A-1 like some
> troops did. They don't put sites on rifles for
> nothing. What would you take CherryShaking?
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> Edited by Marine09 at 05/26/2007 12:41 PM
i would probably take an m-16a1, i would definitely not just spray and pray like a lot of guys did, what do you guys think of the car-15/ i would consider taking that because of its lighter weight.
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May 26, 2007 8:32 PM
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I would take the M-14 any day of the week. It doesn't matter that it weighs about 2 pounds more than the M16-A1 or that it carries less ammo. The fact is the M-14 was exponentially more reliable than the M-16. I'd put my life in the hands of a weapon that has been battle-hardened and isn't going to jam up on me if I fully load a magazine. Plus, if the rifle wasn't frequently cleaned, the M-16 would misfire. In a battle, you never know when you're going to have time to clean your gun. When it was first released, it didn't even come with a cleaning kit because the military felt so confident. The M-14 had more recoil, but even I can handle it, so I imagine any soldier could.
However, if we were talking about the M16-A2 or A3, I would take those over the M-14 because they are just as reliable and even more accurate.
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May 26, 2007 11:11 PM
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Yea 7 seconds in a fire fight was the life expectancy of a gunner in a fire fight, but thats not always true because I would guess more gunners lived than died. The A1 was way more reliable than the M-16, but any weapon needs cleaning toherwise it won't work eventually. Heres another reason i would take the M-16 A1, its ammo is 5.56 of course. Thats not really the reason, but this is. Say you run out of ammo and you have an A1, you can aska buddy for the ammo because he probably has an A1. Say you run dry of 7.62 and nobody else around you has that kind of ammo. Then you are down to a knife. Unless of course you bought or are qualified to have a pistol. But even then unless charlie is right on you a pistol really won't do that much.
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Well, with an M-14 you are less likely to run out of ammo because you are more selective with your firing, mostly due to its overall firepower. It could be that I'm from the south and we're more concerned with a person's ability to shoot, therefore more accurate and powerful weapons, that I prefer the M-14 over the M-16. Anyway, ask anyone who served in Vietnam who had his M-14 stripped from him and replaced with an M-16 which rifle he prefered. Odds are he'll say the M-14, not only because he was used to it, but because it was a higher-quality weapon.
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May 28, 2007 12:25 AM
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M14 higher quality than the M16? Need we start that again? Yes, the M16 stank, but the M16A1 did not. Ask him which one was easier to lug around on an all-day patrol.
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May 28, 2007 10:01 AM
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Yes we need to start it again, apparently. Unless frequently cleaned, the M16A1 suked, period. It had a tendency to jam and was unreliable especially in the jungle environment.
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May 28, 2007 3:19 PM
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Don't forget, the A1 had the chrome-plated chamber and barrel, as well as the forward assist.
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May 28, 2007 3:21 PM
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Yeah, don't pay attention to my post from this morning. I was sick, and when I'm sick my views get far more radical than normal.
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May 28, 2007 3:27 PM
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Not a problem, buddy.
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May 29, 2007 7:54 PM
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Weight difference was another thing, thanks Gunny for pointing that out. I shall compare: 2 Weapons, 1 made out of light plastic, the other made of Heavy wood. You can carry more ammo with one than the other. They can both kill the enemy. I am talking about front line infantry. Now Phil by the sounds of it you would have made a great sniper in the war therefore taking the M-40 or M-21(M-14 Sniper mod for any curious readers). I have no doubt you know what it is . I am saying that the 16 A1 is the better choice for grunts from 1967 onwards throughout the war.
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