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Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Nov 26, 2007 9:29 AM
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Repeated and extended deployments to war zones have driven a rise in post-traumatic stress among troops. It may be good to support your troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it is much better to demand accountability from those responsible for the lack of their care. The legal case against the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) seeks widespread changes in the agency. The VA has difficulty in the preparation, processing and analysis of veterans information to support the effective and efficient preparation of the VA's hundreds of thousands of veterans claims.120 War Vets Commit Suicide Each Week ,and I, keep hearing that this is the 21st century, Can Congress please make the VA join it, make the claims process digital !!!!!!!!
Because of this, the DVA has deliberately cheated some traumatized war veterans out of benefits owed to them. The case was filed in a federal court in San Francisco, much like the case filed in federal court for Agent Orange in 1979. Suing on behalf of hundreds of thousands of veterans, the coalition claims they have been let down on several fronts. These include the provision of prompt disability benefits and additional staff to reduce waiting times for medical care and services to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. The coalition says the DVA worked with the Pentagon to misclassify post-traumatic stress disorder claims as pre-existing personality disorders. The cost to veterans, their families and the nation will be incalculable, it says, unless systematic and drastic measures are instituted immediately. There has been no reaction to the legal action from the Department of Veterans Affairs, because the Department of Veterans Affairs really could care less about the concerns or the plight of these veterans. Veterans at the Syacuse VA facility are pretty much a captive population, having no alternative treatment options outside the system. The case, however, is a demonstration of systemic failure--not only at VA facilities. Patients at prestigious academic medical centers are also not protected from experiments that expose them to undisclosed risks--their welfare and best interest are often disregarded, as local institutional review boards (IRBs) rubber stamped their approval. Vulnerable patients are often enrolled in experiments not designed to protect their welfare or to serve their best interest. For example, critically ill patients in intensive care units at some of the nation's most prestigious hospitals were recruited into a federally funded, multi-site experiment conducted by the ARDSNet affiliated hospitals. The subjects of the experiment were withdrawn from the individualized treatment prescribed by critical care specialists, and randomly assigned to one of two extreme treatment methods for pumping oxygen into their lungs. The patients' condition, in most cases, precluded their ability to give or withhold informed consent. They were conscripted without consent, without full disclosure of the risks or alternative treatment available - the number of patients who may have died who might have lived had they remained on the individually selected treated outside of the research protocol, is in disputeThey will ask that more studies be done and ask Congress for more funding. The Human Research VA foundations and VA enterprise centers see the veterans as cash cows for financial grants, etc. Senator Bruno, tell the American public who your biggest supporters are. Could it be Central Research Corp. located in the Syracuse VA? I've asked for a meeting to talk to James Cody for the last FOUR years so we could start some programs to address these problems, to this day we haven't met. I think it's long over due that Mr. Cody tendered his resignation and joined VA Secretary Jim Nicholson for the good of our veterans. Dennis Thorp is a native of Frankfort and served as a U.S. Army medic during the Vietnam War. He is co-founder of Agent Orange Victims International.doctho@roadrunner.com
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Nov 26, 2007 1:16 PM
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Mr. Thorpe makes an excellent point in this article. As a child and family therapist designated by the VA and DOD to treat combat veterans, I can qualify the significant clinical need of those who have survived - and continue to survive - the trauma of war. Psychological injuries appear to be consistent among those who have experienced death or injury of their fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, have treated the wounded or dying, had close contact with fallen comrades, or directly experienced life-threatening events themselves. It's a basic human response to re-experience the trauma for months or years afterwards, through dissociated episodes during waking hours or nightmares during sleep, or intrusive thoughts, flashbacks, and triggered fear responses. It's in our country's best interest to provide all the best possible treatments to veterans suffering from these disorders and, for that matter, any military-related impediment. I value Mr. Thorpe's dedication to this cause, and honor all those who fight for veterans.
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Nov 28, 2007 8:05 PM
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right on, Mr. Thorpe.
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Nov 28, 2007 8:15 PM
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Good to see that you are up to fighting for the rights of your fellow veterans Doc. I understand your stress of getting to the point, I had the same problem with this site. I remember when you started your campaign for Agent Orange illnesses created by that horrible chemical warfare weapon.
Our veterans need help & they need it now, not in a month or when the government tells them they can. These true Americans deserve proper medical attention. My nephew is a veteran who suffers from strange illnesses due to PTS and he could use your help. Why do I pay taxes to this great country if they're not going to properly care for those who have fought to keep it great?
Well Doc keep up the good work you have my support. Did you ever consider running for office?
You would have my vote!!!!!
SALVATORE V. FAMOLARO
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Mar 27, 2008 12:38 AM
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We will never be allowed to come home.
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Dec 3, 2008 6:39 PM
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The government still struggles with providing American soldiers sufficient, efficient, and effective benefits for the tragedies they suffer during the war. Since the end of the American Revolutionary War, soldiers have struggled with the transition from life o the battlefield to civilian life and this continues to do this day during the war in Iraq. Why hasn't the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs found a more efficient and effective system to care for the heroes of our country? Although returning from war seems to be a relief, soldier's transition from the battlefield presents another campaign they must fight through. Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) continues to increases since the first war. Statistics show that at least 17% of soldiers who serve in Iraq return emotionally troubled suffering from PTSD, depression, schizophrenia, alcoholism, and many more emotional problems. Again, why hasn't the VA addressed this issue more thoroughly? Other research has led me to believe that the VA gives various excuses for veterans returning from combat with mental disorders such as the soldier having that condition before they left for combat. WHAT???? Why????
I am currently taking a Cultures of War class where we are learning various struggles soldiers go through during and after their service, the programs available to them, and various other aspects of war. In addition, we have read various books written by veterans explaining their experiences. As well as reading, we had to interview a veteran. Although, my veteran did not seem to struggle from any mental disorders just interviewing him made me realize even further that these soldiers are our brothers and sisters. The VA needs to do more for our veterans and not treat them as guinea pigs for experiments with treatments because they think they are already doomed. We need to do more and keep pushing the VA to do more. We cannot sit back and do nothing!!!
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Dec 3, 2008 7:33 PM
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The government still struggles with providing American soldiers sufficient, efficient, and effective benefits for the tragedies they suffer during the war. Since the end of the American Revolutionary War, soldiers have struggled with the transition from life o the battlefield to civilian life and this continues to do this day during the war in Iraq. Why hasn't the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs found a more efficient and effective system to care for the heroes of our country? Although returning from war seems to be a relief, soldier's transition from the battlefield presents another campaign they must fight through. Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) continues to increases since the first war. Statistics show that at least 17% of soldiers who serve in Iraq return emotionally troubled suffering from PTSD, depression, schizophrenia, alcoholism, and many more emotional problems. Again, why hasn't the VA addressed this issue more thoroughly? Other research has led me to believe that the VA gives various excuses for veterans returning from combat with mental disorders such as the soldier having that condition before they left for combat. WHAT???? Why????
I am currently taking a Cultures of War class where we are learning various struggles soldiers go through during and after their service, the programs available to them, and various other aspects of war. In addition, we have read various books written by veterans explaining their experiences. As well as reading, we had to interview a veteran. Although, my veteran did not seem to struggle from any mental disorders just interviewing him made me realize even further that these soldiers are our brothers and sisters. The VA needs to do more for our veterans and not treat them as guinea pigs for experiments with treatments because they think they are already doomed. We need to do more and keep pushing the VA to do more. We cannot sit back and do nothing!!!
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Mar 12, 2009 2:48 PM
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> Repeated and extended deployments to war zones have
> driven a rise in post-traumatic stress among troops.
> It may be good to support your troops in Iraq and
> Afghanistan, but it is much better to demand
> accountability from those responsible for the lack of
> their care. The legal case against the U.S.
> Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) seeks widespread
> changes in the agency. The VA has difficulty in the
> preparation, processing and analysis of veterans
> information to support the effective and efficient
> preparation of the VA's hundreds of thousands of
> veterans claims.120 War Vets Commit Suicide Each Week
> ,and I, keep hearing that this is the 21st century,
> Can Congress please make the VA join it, make the
> claims process digital !!!!!!!!
> Because of this, the DVA has deliberately cheated
> d some traumatized war veterans out of benefits owed
> to them. The case was filed in a federal court in San
> Francisco, much like the case filed in federal court
> for Agent Orange in 1979. Suing on behalf of hundreds
> of thousands of veterans, the coalition claims they
> have been let down on several fronts. These include
> the provision of prompt disability benefits and
> additional staff to reduce waiting times for medical
> care and services to treat post-traumatic stress
> disorder. The coalition says the DVA worked with the
> Pentagon to misclassify post-traumatic stress
> disorder claims as pre-existing personality
> disorders. The cost to veterans, their families and
> the nation will be incalculable, it says, unless
> systematic and drastic measures are instituted
> immediately. There has been no reaction to the legal
> action from the Department of Veterans Affairs,
> because the Department of Veterans Affairs really
> could care less about the concerns or the plight of
> these veterans. Veterans at the Syacuse VA facility
> are pretty much a captive population, having no
> alternative treatment options outside the system. The
> case, however, is a demonstration of systemic
> failure--not only at VA facilities. Patients at
> prestigious academic medical centers are also not
> protected from experiments that expose them to
> undisclosed risks--their welfare and best interest
> are often disregarded, as local institutional review
> boards (IRBs) rubber stamped their approval.
> Vulnerable patients are often enrolled in experiments
> not designed to protect their welfare or to serve
> their best interest. For example, critically ill
> patients in intensive care units at some of the
> nation's most prestigious hospitals were recruited
> into a federally funded, multi-site experiment
> conducted by the ARDSNet affiliated hospitals. The
> subjects of the experiment were withdrawn from the
> individualized treatment prescribed by critical care
> specialists, and randomly assigned to one of two
> extreme treatment methods for pumping oxygen into
> their lungs. The patients' condition, in most cases,
> precluded their ability to give or withhold informed
> consent. They were conscripted without consent,
> without full disclosure of the risks or alternative
> treatment available - the number of patients who may
> have died who might have lived had they remained on
> the individually selected treated outside of the
> research protocol, is in disputeThey will ask that
> more studies be done and ask Congress for more
> funding. The Human Research VA foundations and VA
> enterprise centers see the veterans as cash cows for
> financial grants, etc. Senator Bruno, tell the
> American public who your biggest supporters are.
> Could it be Central Research Corp. located in the
> Syracuse VA? I've asked for a meeting to talk to
> James Cody for the last FOUR years so we could start
> some programs to address these problems, to this day
> we haven't met. I think it's long over due that Mr.
> Cody tendered his resignation and joined VA Secretary
> Jim Nicholson for the good of our veterans.
> Dennis Thorp is a native of Frankfort
> e of Frankfort and served as a U.S. Army medic during
> the Vietnam War. He is co-founder of Agent Orange
> Victims International.doctho@roadrunner.com
>
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> Edited by doctho at 11/26/2007 11:05 AM
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> Edited by doctho at 11/26/2007 6:28 PM
i oh so agree that they are very welcome subjects for all the experiments that laid waiting and ready to perform..wars are no accident they are math ..when the math adds up they are induced ..many countreis playing their part..such iit begins populations levels off..moneys are moved ..experiments are done..gains for evil are made and then things go back to normal,,..but the math there does not work and thus is just over looked ..that does not mean it disappeared...as thought ..the math is not with that either..so. you do the math..not even possibly could things become even to save the day....nobody in controll CARED ..
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
Apr 28, 2009 9:03 PM
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This is not a new phenomenon. My father served in WWII, after the war he was assigned to Operation Crossroads, the Bikini Island atomic bomb test.
The ship he was on had some of the then most modern electronic/radar systems, and was 8 miles from ground zero for the first two detonations.
The first bomb was detonated above the water line, the second was detonated below, that is the famous film you see of the ocean erupting from under the ships.
Most of the crews of the observation ships were ordered topside and told to sit on the deck for the first detonation.
Dad was one of them, within hours he had a radiation burn on his leg.
None of these events would suggest anything other then inexperienced naval officers exposing their crew to a unexpected danger.
However consider that there were Nuclear Engineers and medical personal there who issued radiation reader cards, and tested the ships and crews for radiation.
In 1969 , 22 years after the test the VA contacted dad and told him that as a precautionary step the VA wanted to test all personal who were at Operation Crossroads. Enclosed in the envelope was a three page questionnaire.
When he finished the physical they told him to return every 10 years. Then they wanted him every 5 years, then three years.
I honestly believe every one of the men assigned to Operation Crossroads were just lab rat's in a big experiment.
I'm not the only one.
http://www.naav.com/
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Re: Veterans: The captive population for Human Research
May 27, 2009 3:42 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong. And I would really like to hear from a vet if I am wrong on this one. Weren't there trained professionals that were on the battle fields in the iraq, afganistan, and golf war that were meant to handle the troops who had problems during the war with post-tramatic stress and with anything else. But one of the problems was was that alot of the troops who did have problems did not go to the people that were available on the battle field? And another question that I have is isn't DVA controled by the legislative branch which in other words controls the money. I don't know anything about the DVA or the armed forces but I do know alot about the way business works and the way certain organizations that control large amounts of money work and those organizations have to function like a business. Can you put some of the blame on the legislative branch because our vets do need alot of help, but the one who controls the money makes the final and last decision? One last question can the veterans go to regular theropy clinics that are inexpensive and are not affiliated with the DVA. Or they can go to a church that has licensed theropist or anywhere and has licensed theropist because when you need help you need help.
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