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Jun 30, 2003 11:26 PM
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I was recently watching a show that was talking about the battles of Hannibal and how he used the elephants to get over the mountains and win battles. I was appalled however to see that the history channel depicted Hannibal as a white man. Hannibal was a Black African man. To me the whole point of telling the story is to enlighten people, so why can't the truth be told. I was a big fan of the history channel, but it is now difficult for me to watch because I know that history is truly that, His Story and not the truth. I am very disappointed.
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Well, don't be too hard on THC.
Jul 1, 2003 6:53 AM
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I was appalled however to see that the history channel depicted Hannibal as a white man. Hannibal was a Black African man.<<
While Hannibal was African, he may not have been black. He was a member of the Carthagenian people who were descended from the Phoenician colonists. The Phoenicians weren't black. That's not to say that intermarriage couldn't have happened to have produced a black Hannibal, but it also isn't definate.
Whatever his appearance, let's just say Hannibal was a good general who gave Rome a run for its money.
"It [the song chorus] doesn't mean anything. It's like ramalama ding dong, or give peace a chance." -Homer Simpson
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Hannibal was a mixture of Numidian and Cathaginian
Jul 4, 2003 8:44 AM
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by todays racial standards due to his dark skin we would say he was black but his features would be Afro-Caucasoid rather like those of the modern Tuaregs.
The Numidians were a North African people and a mix of Saharan Negro and Saharan Caucasoid tribes who took over parts of North Africa under kings like Juba and Jurgutha who were their most famous.
Hannibal was descended from the Phoenician elite that founded Carthage and Numidian royalty. He would have been racially mixed by todays standards.
To be accurate the THC should not show him as White Caucasoid or Black Negroid but a mix of both races.
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Re: Hannibal was a mixture of Numidian and Cathaginian
Jul 9, 2003 9:34 AM
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If they had shown him as at least a mix that would have been fine, but he was blonde with white skin. Even White people in Africa were way more tan than the picture they were showing. It is just frustrating to deal with these things, because African-Americans have a hard enough time trying to raise our children to have pride and dignity in culture and at every turn they are stripped of that. It is the job of a historian to tell the truth in the best way possible and for centuries it has been distorted and watered down to fit into the Euro- educational mold. We need to deal with the diversity of this planet, and not be color blind, but color conscious so that our children see and appreciate all people in this world including themselves.
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A blond Hannibal?!! LOL! His likeness appears
Jul 9, 2003 2:13 PM
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on a number of Carthaginian coins and busts plus you have Roman commentaries on his appearance that clearly show him to be Afro-Carthaginian.
Trust the THC to foul it up!
I fully agree historians should tell the truth and realize that our idea of race as skin color is only about 500 years old and the product of religiously and culturally based assumptions that linked cultural advancement with being European and Christian.
In ancient times skin color was not relevant to human societies as seen in Egypt, Rome and Carthage which were often as diverse as ours is today.
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Re: Well, don't be too hard on THC.
Jul 9, 2003 2:40 PM
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Hannibal may have not been black African.. but as a Phoenician Hannibal would have had a swarthy semitic dark skinned complexion. In fact if Hannibal were to be brought to an American airport today, he would have been racially profiled as a potential terrorist.
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Re: A blond Hannibal?!! LOL! His likeness appears
Jul 14, 2003 4:50 PM
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It was crazy looking. It is important to me that the story is told as accurately as possible. I feel that the contributions of all cultures need to be more acknowledge, but we are in a eurocentric society, so it is a bit difficult to get even that.
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Re: Well, don't be too hard on THC.
Jul 14, 2003 4:52 PM
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LOL. That is soo true. Sad but very true. Interesting how times change.
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Re: A blond Hannibal?!! LOL! His likeness appears
Jul 23, 2003 7:58 AM
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The theory of evolution has been the main proponents of racial differences.
The religous references you refer to were more based in cultural norm vs theory and philosophy.
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Accuracy of historical research
Jul 23, 2003 8:01 AM
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Artists sometimes don't do their homework, or can lack adequate information on their subject. Even some, are badly advised by historians.
Don't be too hard on them.
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Jun 27, 2004 10:15 AM
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Agree, agree, agree. Too bad THC didn't do better homework. However, since (published) history is written by those with the power, what more can one expect? However, I would be willing to bet that if one were to ask the proverbial "man on the street" a question about Hannibal, those who are aware that he was a marvelous military personage would be aware that he was indeed Black.
Maybe a few letters of correction to the editors of THC might stimulate them to be more correct in future programming......
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Apr 12, 2005 6:32 PM
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Did you take a look at the responses that my post got not to long ago. We are on the same page...Take a look at it' it's under the war category. Very interesting.
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Re: Well, don't be too hard on THC.
Aug 8, 2005 2:07 AM
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> Hannibal may have not been black African.. but as a
> Phoenician Hannibal would have had a swarthy semitic
> dark skinned complexion. In fact if Hannibal were to
> be brought to an American airport today, he would
> have been racially profiled as a potential terrorist.
That is awesome Praetorian uno...
I can see Hannibal trudging through the airport with a white chocolate mocha latte freeze or whatever. Do you think he would be in a buisness suit or a cowboy outfit? I prefer to think he would look like the Rhinestone cowboy from Boogie Nights or Be Cool.
Here we go... one faded magenta shirt, one of those turqouise bolo ties, a huge belt buckle hand carved with battle scenes, extremely dark blue wranglers and beige chaps(unbuckled). His battlefeild would be the kitchen where he resides in Las Vegas as Iron Chef Phoenicia. He would be on his second marriage because Omorosa broke off his first but his greatest acheivement.....his mutton chops...yeah baby!!!
PS Would the real slim shady please shut up?
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Re: A blond Hannibal?!! LOL! His likeness appears
Dec 22, 2005 12:25 PM
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I was appalled when watching what was called "The True Story of Hannibal" to see that he was portrayed by a blond haired, blue-eyed caucasian. The so-called true story started out with a lie. Even if there is dispute as to whether Hannibal was Black or Phoenician, there is no disputing the fact that he was not white. It is very disheartening for those of us who are African-American and take pride in our historical achievements to always have our greatest historical figures "whitewashed". It is very insulting to people of color in general. It's as if any notable historical accomplishment could have only been achieved by the caucasian persuasion. As if other races did not have the capacity or the wherewithall to aspire to great acheivements. I have a 5 year-old son and he will know the historical achievements of our people and hopefully it will be a source of pride and inspiration for him. Despite the attempts of those who take great pains to rewrite history to coincide with their euro-centric perspective and motivations.
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Mar 1, 2006 6:58 PM
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Ok,
Hannibal was a BLACK MAN. History is exactly what is says.... His-story!!! The fact was that Hannibal was darkskinned and this is prooved by the coins struck in his honor once he reached Italy's south coast. So many people such as Motzart were black (mulatoo). If we want to get technical like people want to then listen to this little genetic fact. The BLACK GENE is the dominant gene in all reproductive circumstances which means that if you look just a little LIGHT you still black.
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