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Why can't truth be written down
Dec 13, 2005 10:59 PM
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I find it funny when people complain that truth is not written down in a book, but if you handed them the Bible they would say I don't believe that is true. Why is this? It is because truth demands a change and we don't want to change. So for something to be true it must say what I am doing is fine. If it doesn't, then we will refuse it to be absolute truth.
Tim
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 13, 2005 11:40 PM
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I find it funny that theists will pick up any book and claim it's the truth, as long as it's pro-christian, and often anti-science. They will deny any finding of reality, if it disagrees with their preconceived beliefs, based on the beliefs of a bronze-age society.
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Dec 14, 2005 2:47 AM
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There are way too many people who aren't willing to change their lives to live by the truth of Islam, as written in the Koran. Clearly, these people do not want to see the truth, because they aren't willing to make any sacrifices that will interfere with their self-serving lifestyle.
It's all written down in plain arabic, for anyone who is willing to open their hearts and give Allah his rightful place in their lives 
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Message was edited by luckygrl at Dec 14, 2005 2:52 AM
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Dec 14, 2005 6:53 AM
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Yeah, that message is going over big time in Australia, as well as other places.
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 14, 2005 11:56 AM
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>> but if you handed them the Bible they would say I don't believe that is true. Why is this? It is because truth demands a change and we don't want to change.<<
Does truth demand a change? Or does your truth demand a change?
The problem with written "truths" is that they are all open to interpretation. There's no reason for me to buy yours over anyone else's.
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Dec 14, 2005 12:10 PM
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A lot of people have trouble changing because of what is written in books. Was it Muhammad that said, "The ink of a scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr."? I understand what you are saying though.
Grammar and languages are so imperfect that they can be interpreted in many different ways. Especially when they are translated between languages.
"I am afraid we are not rid of God because we still have faith in grammar." -Nietzsche (Twilight of the Idols) 1888.
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 22, 2005 3:32 PM
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> >> but if you handed them the Bible they would say I
> don't believe that is true. Why is this? It is
> because truth demands a change and we don't want to
> change.<<
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> Does truth demand a change? Or does your truth
> demand a change?
> The problem with written "truths" is that they are
> all open to interpretation. There's no reason for me
> to buy yours over anyone else's.
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> "I have more fun than people" - Bugs Bunny
Ghost of a Rider your question is a good one. However, I would say Truth demands a change. You see I have no truth. I am not able to have truth since I am a sinful person. However, I agree with what the Bible says is truth. When you disagree with me on what I believe you don't have a problem with me. You have a problem with God's word, which is true.
Let me put it this way, if you went and burned every copy of the Bible in the world. Not one book remains, scholars can go and reproduce the bible from all the hundreds of manuscripts that we have. Out of all the manuscripts found on any topic, the Manuscripts for the books of the bible outnumber all the others. There are more Manuscripts then writings of Plato, Notradamius, and any other person you can think of in history. I find that very interesting little fact.
Sure it all comes down to interpretation, however God did not try to hid the message by using symbolically, why would he do that if he gave it for us to know Him. Read the Bible literally and you will find the main focus of the message. Which is God created the world man was lived in paradise sinned, and fell from God's grace. Knowing this before ever creating the Earth or man, he knew he would have to send His only son. He showed this by having the Birth of Jesus predicted 700 years before he was born.
Jesus was born sinless and lived a sinless life, even though he was tempted. He died for all mans sins, so one day we can live in etnerity with him. After rising from the dead three days after his death he soon returned to Heaven as King and will return for his people one day.
That is the man message of the Bible, everything else not as important as that.
Tim
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 22, 2005 3:41 PM
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> >> but if you handed them the Bible they would say I
> don't believe that is true. Why is this? It is
> because truth demands a change and we don't want to
> change.<<
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> Does truth demand a change? Or does your truth
> demand a change?
> The problem with written "truths" is that they are
> all open to interpretation. There's no reason for me
> to buy yours over anyone else's.
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I wish I had said that Very good. I have trouble understanding why people can't see the bible for what it is...a mixture of history, myth and not to be taken literally.
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 22, 2005 3:44 PM
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> Ghost of a Rider your question is a good one.
> However, I would say Truth demands a change. You see
> I have no truth. I am not able to have truth since I
> am a sinful person. However, I agree with what the
> Bible says is truth. When you disagree with me on
> what I believe you don't have a problem with me. You
> have a problem with God's word, which is true.
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> Let me put it this way, if you went and burned every
> copy of the Bible in the world. Not one book remains,
> scholars can go and reproduce the bible from all the
> hundreds of manuscripts that we have. Out of all the
> manuscripts found on any topic, the Manuscripts for
> the books of the bible outnumber all the others.
> There are more Manuscripts then writings of Plato,
> Notradamius, and any other person you can think of in
> history. I find that very interesting little fact.
Care to site a source on this statement?????
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> Sure it all comes down to interpretation, however God
> did not try to hid the message by using symbolically,
> why would he do that if he gave it for us to know
> Him. Read the Bible literally and you will find the
> main focus of the message. Which is God created the
> world man was lived in paradise sinned, and fell from
> God's grace. Knowing this before ever creating the
> Earth or man, he knew he would have to send His only
> son. He showed this by having the Birth of Jesus
> predicted 700 years before he was born.
Again, source? Are you taking this from the old testament? Or did you arrive at this after studying the Tenach in Hebrew? I think there are Jews here, who are fleunt in Hebrew, who would disagree with this.
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> Jesus was born sinless and lived a sinless life, even
> though he was tempted. He died for all mans sins, so
> one day we can live in etnerity with him. After
> rising from the dead three days after his death he
> soon returned to Heaven as King and will return for
> his people one day.
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> That is the man message of the Bible, everything else
> not as important as that.
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> Tim
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The difference between religion and spirituality: Religion is for people who fear going to hell and spirituality is for people who have been there.
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 23, 2005 11:34 AM
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Write down the number of days in infinity or the summation of all that has been, is now and shall ever be and you will have written down Truth. Short of this you may have a greater or lesser collection of facts and/or falsehoods, but you will not have Truth.
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 23, 2005 11:45 AM
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One thing I've always wondered is why so many people that want to share their "truth" with me aren't open to hearing what mine is.
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 23, 2005 12:18 PM
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you have to get published first :D
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 23, 2005 10:44 PM
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lucky
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The difference between religion and spirituality: Religion is for people who fear going to hell and spirituality is for people who have been there.
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risque....the ones that don't see
Dec 24, 2005 3:46 PM
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the truth of the Bible are being blinded temporarily.
The Holy Spirit will speak to each person at some time in their lives. Many will reject what He is offering, but many will accept. To those God gives the right to become His children (John 1:12).
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Re: Why can't truth be written down
Dec 24, 2005 4:15 PM
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> One thing I've always wondered is why so many people
> that want to share their "truth" with me aren't open
> to hearing what mine is.
If someone very important to you told you that by believing in the bible...
"YOU WILL HAVE ETERNAL HEAVEN. Particularly if you believe this-a-way."
Wouldn't you want that to be true so bad that you gotta ignore all other input? Oh, also, you gotta recruit others to believe as well.
One hellava selling point! Plus, if they listen to any other truth, they risk going to hell. More than ahellava selling point, fear of damnation. Takes a brave person to examine their doubts.
love&peace,
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