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Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Apr 11, 2006 11:29 AM
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The two major treaties that ended WWII had many differences but one that seems most curious by its obvious and dramatic terms.
The German nation was dissolved, the government and country completely remodeled and, most notably, Germans were tried for war crimes and Germany was forced to pay reparations to governments and civilians adversely affected.
Japan was allowed to keep their emperor and, while I believe there were some minor trials for crimes against the Geneva Convention, the treaty specifically absolved Japan and forgave all debts against the populations and governments of countries Japan invaded and occupied.
What was the difference between the two nations that resulted in the U.S. putting its body and influence between Japan and those populations seeking compensation?
I'm basing my question on a reading of the Treaty with Japan. Am I missing something?
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Apr 17, 2006 12:32 PM
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The US was seeking an end to war quickly and was willing to let Japan off a bit to simiply end the war and bring the boys home.
That and we Nuked them, thats pretty bad
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Apr 24, 2006 9:37 PM
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Good question. Especially with the Chinese still dying from Japanese left-behinds. But unlike Hitler Hiroito could be whitewashed (Though his appearance and interest in genetics/horticulture reminds me of Himmler). Moreover the Japanese unlike the Germans needed some sense of hierarchy preserved and were willing to continue the fight to keep him.
On the otherhand there was no Marshall Plan for Japan. They remained in ruin and poverty until the Korean War and they began to find outlets for their products suppling the US war effort.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Oct 20, 2007 12:49 PM
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if the usa had arrested the japanese emperor you would have seen millions of suicide bombers which would have defeated the usa even tho japan surrendered the whole nation, men, women, and children would have fought until they killed every american, the emperor was god and millions would have died to keep him free.the american government had a choice let the emperor be free or face certain death,according to a japanese official i talked with, he was in japanese diplomatic field in ww 2.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Oct 21, 2007 12:59 AM
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I remember reading that the US, particularly MacArthur saw Japan as a future ally and understood the fanaticism that was behind the Emperor. Many Japanese, who perpetrated war crimes, were indeed prosecuted, but many were not, just like in Germany.
Should the US have deposed the Emperor, resistance and resentment would have flared, prolonging the rebuilding process. Plus, with the end of the war, the Soviet Union was the new threat.
While Japan was conquered primarily by US/UK, Germany was then divided, creating an entirely different political situation.
Anyhow, that's my 2 cents off the top of my head.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Oct 26, 2007 12:48 PM
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Two points:
1. We nuked them two times, even once would be enough to let them off the hook.
2. We made them turn against us by scrwing them over to get more oil.
If we had not done 2. then they would have been our allies in WW2.
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Edited by otester at 10/26/2007 12:48 PM
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 11, 2008 8:53 AM
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Keeping the Emperor was pretty much their only term if i am not mistaken, and it's a hard one not to accept. Plus the longer the allies waited for peace, the more land the USSR would have gobbled up, Stalins counter thrust was very fast..and landing on Japanese soil could well have been possible given a few months and the allies obviously wished to prevent this. Furthermore Germany had been deemed to dangerous by the European powers for "starting both world wars" and fears of its economic strength, size, population and the nationalist militaristic character that was deemed in bedded in the German psyche by it's neighbor nations meant they could not allow it to govern itself like in the aftermath of World War One.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 12, 2008 5:38 PM
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"We made them turn against us by scrwing them over to get more oil."
Incorrect. The oil embargo was enacted against Japan after word of war atrocities such as the Rape of Nanking got out. The Republic of China under KMT (non-communists) at the time was an US ally, so supplying an enemy who was also committing war crimes wasn't a smart idea.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 13, 2008 7:06 AM
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I'm not wrong, we still scrwed them, almost most every country needs oil, denying them that we were asking for it.
PRC has committed many human rights violations, slaughtering people etc. and we still trade with them, Tienanmen square as an example.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 13, 2008 1:12 PM
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"PRC has committed many human rights violations, slaughtering people etc. and we still trade with them, Tienanmen square as an example."
lol, the communist PRC came to power in 1949, 4 years AFTER WW2.
During WW2, the China was ruled by the Republic of China/KMT party, a democratic pro-capitalistic government. It was weakened by the world war 2, allowing the PRC communists to win the civil war in 1949.
So world war 2 is directly responsible for putting the PRC into power, creating all of those human rights violations you mentioned.
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Edited by Intranetusa at 01/13/2008 1:15 PM
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 13, 2008 1:34 PM
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Ok, but by trading with them and not penalizing them we are encouraging it.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 13, 2008 3:50 PM
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Are you talking about right now? The US economy relies on PRC-China and vice versa. Besides, the economic power the US has allows us to pressure them for more human rights. Mainland China has much more liberties than it did 10 years ago...so they're getting there, albeit slowly.
And us trading with PRC-China today really has nothing to do with the original topic or ww2, lol
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Edited by Intranetusa at 01/13/2008 3:52 PM
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 13, 2008 4:00 PM
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US shouldn't rely on China it should keep to itself, invading China makes much more sense than Afghanistan or Iraq.
Almost everything is related to WW2 btw.
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 13, 2008 9:28 PM
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Or you can say everything is related to Great Britan. They messed up East Asian with opium (China, Japan, and Korea) and basically scared Japan into imperialism...which caused it to invade China, toppling the last dynasty in 1912, then invade China again in WW2 weakening the ROC and causing the communists to come to power.
Brittan ignited the colonization of Africa with France & Germany, one of the causes of WW1. And WW2 is an extension of WW1.
so it's all relative...
And you can't keep to yourself in trade. The reason why the US is the number one super power is because its been trading with everyone. We rely on half the world to create our products and they rely on us. Sorta a war prevention factor as well.
And why would we invade China? Their military isn't as advanced, but they have ICBMs loaded with nukes that can hit anywhere in the US...
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Edited by Intranetusa at 01/13/2008 9:29 PM
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Re: Why was Japan absolved and Germany condemned?
Jan 15, 2008 3:38 AM
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Britain has done a lot of damage to the world I would not deny that at all, we started both wars as well.
France is still fighting in the Central African Region to try and help it's corrupt puppet government enslave the people for the corporations.
What about your THAAD system? Thought that made ICBM's obsolete?
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