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History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 20, 2008 8:12 PM
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This show is outrageous and irresponsible.
The destruction of a national resource by greedy men
cannot be tolerated.
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Miami, fl
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 20, 2008 10:00 PM
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Well the history channel is not worth watching and the tree cutting show is just another example that the word history should not be in their name.
Still and all how in the hell can you be against cutting trees for homes and paper and a few hundred other reasons?
Would you perhaps feel better living in a cave? Hell you would not be able to even warm you cave with fire it would seem.
Are you troll? One would hope you are.
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 24, 2008 5:15 PM
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I was appalled when I watched The Axmen show. Logging in the Northwest has destroyed entire ecosystems including the demise of our Salmon and Steelhead populations.
Your show does nothing but glamorizes the profession and does not address any of the ecological concerns.
I can imagine your producers are planning the prequel: Devastation of the Northwest.
Charming.
I am done, no more History Channel and I have sent this link out to several thousand people who will help get out the word about the irresponsibility of your show.
I am also going to contact every advertiser of the History Channel and let them know about the Boycott.
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 24, 2008 5:20 PM
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You sir have obviously NOT seen what ecological damaging effects clear cutting timber can have. Sure we need wood products and they can be secured with what is called selective cutting.
The promotion of clear cutting with high lead operations like those portrayed in the Axmen show is criminal.
And did you also know that many of the logs you saw fell are being exported at subsidized prices to China!!!
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 24, 2008 5:24 PM
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Here is a list of History Channel Ad Execs you can begin to call and let them know how you feel about the Axmen show. I will choose to start with the term “Completely incompetent”…
A&E Television Networks
235 East 45th Street
New York, NY 10017
(212) 210-1400
Mel Berning
EVP, National Ad Sales
(212) 210-1321
Mike Mohamad
SVP, New Business Development &
Marketing Partnerships
(212) 210-1385
Brian Granath
VP New Business Development
(212) 210-9151
A&E, The Biography Channel: Peter Olsen
SVP, National Ad Sales,
A&E, The Biography Channel
(212) 210-1431
Brian Joyce
VP National Ad Sales
A&E, The Biography Channel
(212) 210-1430
The History Channel, History
International, The History Channel
en Español: Amy Baker
SVP, National Ad Sales,
The History Channel, History International,
The History Channel en Español
(212) 210-9096
Joel Celestin
VP National Ad Sales
The History Channel, History International,
The History Channel en Español
(212) 210-9768
Direct Response Advertising: Risa Rosenthal
VP, Direct Response Advertising
(212) 210-9115
Digital Media Sales: Dan Owen
VP, Digital Media Sales
(212) 210-9160
Sales Administration: Mona Tropeano
SVP, Ad Sales Operations & Administration
(212) 210-9119
Sales Research: Mary Heed
VP, Sales Research
(212) 210-9072
Chicago: A&E Television Networks
111 East Wacker Drive
Chicago, IL 60601
(312) 819-0191 Shawn Walker
VP, National Ad Sales
(312) 819-3322
Detroit: A&E Television Networks
201 West Big Beaver Road
Suite 1010
Troy, MI 48084
(248) 740-1300 Jim Agius
VP, National Ad Sales
(248) 680-7154
Los Angeles: A&E Television Networks
1925 Century Park East
Suite 900
Los Angeles, CA 90067
(310) 201-6060 Stephen Rhee
VP, National Ad Sales
(310) 201-6020
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 24, 2008 5:32 PM
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Here is a link to one of The History Channels Partners, North American Media Group.
Drop them a quick e-mail and let them know about your support of the Boycott.
NAMGhq@namginc.com
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Miami, fl
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 24, 2008 7:20 PM
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Any animal type including mankind will leave a footprint on the earth and we are far from being the ones who had let the largest footprint.
The simple one cell creatures who happen to had turn 25 percent of the earth atmosphere into O2 a billion years ago have my vote.
Ok the following is a Quote from Robert Heinlein that seem to cover you gentlemen very nicely.
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There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled 'Nature'". The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" -- but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the "Naturist" reveals his hatred for his own race -- i.e., his own self-hatred. In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate. As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women -- it strikes me as a fine arrangement and perfectly "natural". Believe it or not, there were "Naturists" who opposed the first flight to old Earth's Moon as being "unnatural" and a "despoiling of Nature".
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Mar 30, 2008 8:33 PM
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No boycott here.
I applaud the History Channel for bringing to life an important part of American History.
It's really sad to see you "boycotters" in action.Such ignorance on display for the world to see.
Just one simple,easy to find fact of life you people choose to overlook.
There are more trees growing in the USA right now than there was in the 1920's.
Eco systems are not destroyed,but regenerated.
What you anti-Americans refer to as "old growth timber"is just what your narrow minds have seen in your lifetime.It's not old at all.Mother Nature has destroyed our forests thousands of times over millions of years.And it was wasted.Now we have a chance to use it to benefit mankind and the Bambi syndrome people come out of their nests.Honest,forest creatures don't talk to each other.They kill and eat each other.
Timber is and always will be a natural resource.A renewable natural resource.It grows back again and again.
Loggers risk their lives to bring you things you can't live without and all you can do is try to destroy their lives.Who's wrong?
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 9, 2008 9:33 PM
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Have you seen the new THC promos, "HISTORY HAPPENS EVERYDAY"? I guess they have to justify their switch from their original concept of "history" programming and for which they named their channel for, to their "be like just every other channel" programming of reality shows with little or no historical content.
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 10, 2008 9:43 AM
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"You sir have obviously NOT seen what ecological damaging effects clear cutting timber can have. Sure we need wood products and they can be secured with what is called selective cutting."
I have. Yet the majority that I've seen have no ecological damage at all. As far as selective harvest, we try that up here and the environmentalists still appeal us. Why don't you people just come clean and admit you want zero logging? I've heard so many greenies say "we need some logging, just not this way". Well, if you're really concerned about the forests of the Earth go to Siberia or the Amazon or the Congo or Indonesia. Go protect trees that have no protection.
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 13, 2008 9:21 AM
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My family has been in the timber industry since my grandpa worked with steam powered donkeys. I will support the timber industry till the end of time but this series "Axmen" makes us look like idiots. Anybody that drops a tree across a skyline and breaks it should not be representing this industry. The log truck driver that sat on the hill spinning his wheels should be fired. These are common sense issues. As far as the man that was shown swinging on the hook, he should be fired. Where the hell is O.S.H.A. and L&I? I have not talked with anybody in the timber industry that approves of this program or even has anything possitive to say.
As far as all the postings that complain about destroying the ecosystem and the exporting of logs and what-not. You are barking up the wrong tree. THC did not receive the FPA (forest practices application) nor did they issue the cutting permit. You should be boycotting the great state of Oregon, they issue the right to cut. I don't think THC had anything to do with picking the markets the logs are being sold on either. You might want to check with the owner of the timber on that issue. It is not against the law for a private timber grower to utilize foreign markets to sell their product.
Again, the actors in Axmen do not do a good job conveying to the viewers how this technical and specialized industry really works.
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 15, 2008 12:18 PM
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I think the history channel does a great job on all shows I really enjoy the ax men and hope it is not removed with all these bleeding hearts out there sure hope you can wipe on your finger
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 15, 2008 5:09 PM
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Trees are a crop. Did you miss the part about the loggers replanting? It's a crop! No different than corn except it takes longer to grow. On a smaller scale, around here we have Christmas tree farms. Fields planted with fir trees specifically to be harvested in 6 to 12 years. They farmers cut, they replant, they cut again and so forth and so on. After use, those trees are mostly mulched to return to the earth as a nutrient. Using a resource is not necessarily destroying a resource.
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 16, 2008 12:25 PM
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I registered here just to say something about this show. After not having cable for almost five years I decided to start subscribing again. The History channel was one that I had always enjoyed. Now they're running several episodes today of Ax Men. Why?! This series has NOTHING to do with history. The series isn't even an interesting reality show. Who wants to watch guys cutting down trees and fixing equipment? I'm not a big fan of reality TV, but at least shows like the Apprentice and American Idol have a goal and eventual outcome to the show, one that is relevant to someone other than the people involved and their families.
Within the past decade PBS and the BBC have given us reality shows that deal with history, like the 1900 House and Manor House. These were interesting shows that dealt with HISTORY. Why can't people at the HISTORY channel come up with something similar? Perhaps we're seeing a change in this channel's format, much like Court TV's switch to Tru. Is it possible that the station will become the Work Channel? If it does, then I'll be removing it from the list of stations I scan past on my TV, just like I eliminated the shopping channels.
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Edited by poeboy at 04/16/2008 1:08 PM
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Re: History channle / Axmen boycott begins
Apr 16, 2008 2:29 PM
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> I registered here just to say something about this
> show. After not having cable for almost five years I
> decided to start subscribing again. The History
> channel was one that I had always enjoyed. Now
> they're running several episodes today of Ax Men.
> Why?! This series has NOTHING to do with history. The
> series isn't even an interesting reality show. Who
> wants to watch guys cutting down trees and fixing
> equipment? I'm not a big fan of reality TV, but at
> least shows like the Apprentice and American Idol
> have a goal and eventual outcome to the show, one
> that is relevant to someone other than the people
> involved and their families.
>
> Within the past decade PBS and the BBC have given us
> reality shows that deal with history, like the 1900
> House and Manor House. These were interesting shows
> that dealt with HISTORY. Why can't people at the
> HISTORY channel come up with something similar?
> Perhaps we're seeing a change in this channel's
> format, much like Court TV's switch to Tru. Is it
> possible that the station will become the Work
> Channel? If it does, then I'll be removing it from
> the list of stations I scan past on my TV, just like
> I eliminated the shopping channels.
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> Edited by poeboy at 04/16/2008 12:26 PM
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> Edited by poeboy at 04/16/2008 1:08 PM
Hi poeboy- Ditto !!! Sorry to say but this appears to be the path that the new gods at THC have chosen to travel down.
It's their attempt to gather some of THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL's THE DEADLIEST CATCH market. THC is running AX MEN all day today I think because DISCOVERY has been running TDC all week.
If THC was still interested in "history" they would of had something on yesterday (15TH) about Lincoln or The Titanic- not a mention probably other than a "This Day in History" blur on the 143rd anniversary of Lincoln's death and the 96th of the Titanic's sinking.
Their new promo, "History is made everyday", indicates what we have to look forward to, and to justify in the THC gods mind their airing of "reality format" programs with little or no history content.
AMERICAN EXPERIENCE on PBS is a great series- something THC should copy instead of trying to copy DEADLIEST CATCH if they have to copy something.
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