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Nov 7, 2007 8:17 PM
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That was a great episode!!! Thank you to the History Channel for this series... Its really nice to see media on cryptozoology and not all debunking, but serious science investigation. I hope this will assist in launching cryptids and other paranormal research into the mainstream.... Thank you again, from a researcher, for this series and all your effort.....
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Nov 8, 2007 12:26 AM
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Here are the questions that I have after watching the latest MonsterQuest:
You are a researcher and you are specifically hunting for bigfoot: why do you hide in the cabin the one time there is any evidence of activity? I get it, they were scared. But it's why you are there! There are several adults with you and there has not been any past indication of physical violence by any creature. So why do you spend the night in the cabin when there may have actually been something outside in the woods?
The DNA: Why did they present us evidence that they had not fully tested and made a final conclusion on? He said it may take a year to do the DNA testing, well when was that episode actually filmed? 2006 I believe, so don't present us evidence just to string us along...
Look, I'm glad they did this show and I'm glad there are people doing research, and as a resident of the Pacific Northwest and a previous resident of the Adirondacks I believe in the possibility of bigfoot. But sometimes the content of these shows makes me scratch my head.....
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Nov 8, 2007 12:53 AM
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I think I can answer your question....They went back into the cabin so they would not accidently catch one of, but probably not the only guy hiding in the woods, "tokin" it up, throwing rocks, and laughing.... I'd love to see some actual proof of Bigfoot, but all we got from the show tonight was what amounted to the same old blurry picture, and eyewitness acount from an inbread hillbilly checking his weed patch...
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Nov 8, 2007 8:12 AM
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I like this series so far. The theme is right in line with all of the currently popular adventure and mystery shows. Now all we need is to get some guy to go try to live with Sasquatch or Champ. Now that would be good entertainment!
But seriously, I think the show was fairly good as far as previous Sasquatch related shows go.
We got the standard dose of the great-big ideas how the researchers plan on finding proof with a camera or a microscope, a little bit of previously documented encounters, at least one night-time scene with some guys looking at each other frightened and amazed by the sounds in the dark, and then the basic non-conclusive scientific report hinting to some unknown creature. Nothing has changed Sasquatch’s status as one of the most mysterious, historically famous and widely reported creatures on this continent, real or made-up. Pretty nice that no one decided that it didn't exist without consulting Sasquatch first. The big ape may not take that news nicely!
Fairly typical stuff but the show was entertaining and I’m sure entertainment was the main goal of the show, not to actually prove anything. If real proof of Bigfoot is found and reported just think of all the researchers that will be put out of work! There is probably some guy out in the wilderness somewhere that has a pet Sasquatch but some researcher is paying him off the not go public. Just kidding, I’m sure nothing like that would ever happen. LOL!
The only problem I have with the show was the story told by the retired reporter about interviewing the old prospector. I read the exact same story 30 years ago in a Sasquatch book (the title escapes me now). The main differences in the book’s version is the story was told by Teddy Roosevelt based on some story he had heard during his younger days when we was doing his adventure thing in the western US. Teddy’s version of the encounter was much more detailed than the show presented. The book’s version of the abduction and the escape was almost identical to the interview on the show down to the references of being carried in his sleeping-bag and how coffee and snuff played a part in his escape. But in book’s version the abduced man was “kept” by the family of creatures for several days during which he actually had to carefully plan his escape by tricking the larger male with the snuff. Also, he described appearance and behavior of a large male, a smaller female and two younger “children” creatures in much detail. Both of versions of the story may be based on the same encounter but it would seem that if Teddy’s story was in fact based on a story he heard from his pre-presidential life it would predate the prospector’s version referred to in the show.
It would be only the ego of humanity that would lead us to believe just because we don’t have it in a zoo or a test-tube that creatures such as Sasquatch and other so called monsters didn’t or couldn’t exist in our world. Most people would think that just because there is no hard proof the creature doesn’t exist or someone is playing pranks. Those are probably the same people that would not notice a deer, rabbit, bobcat, or some other wild animal in its own habitat and wouldn’t know about the wild animals living right in the middle of the own neighborhood until they see one killed by a car in front of their house. All of natures creatures survive by maintaining a comfortable distance from humans and they probably see us a lot more often than we see them.
While real proof of a Sasquatch may never be found that doesn’t stop me from being amazed by the stories and cause me to stop and wonder about sounds I heard in the woods at night. This is the best thing about monster stories, real or make-believe.
I do hope this will not be the last time Sasquatch is visited. I am sure there are just too many entertaining stories out there to not make Harry a fairly regular guest on the show.
Again, I applaud this series. Shows like this is one reason I slow down enough to watch TV in the first place.
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Nov 8, 2007 1:06 PM
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Unfortunately, the night time scenes looked like a cheap knock-off of the the Blair Witch Project,(there were some people who actually believed that show)....Come-on History Channel, try and put a little effort in your next show...
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Nov 8, 2007 2:37 PM
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A friend of mine came to me today, very upset about something he saw on last night's Monster Quest. I, myself, don't have a TV, so I haven't seen the show. He said that the program about Sasquatch was advocating that people use boards studded with woodscrews, deployed in forrested areas where sightings have been claimed, in order to try to get DNA samples of Sasquatch.
As I say, he was very upset, and understandably so, in my opinion. This is a very dangerous technique to use in the deep woods, where other animals and/or humans might well be injured by the woodscrews, which could cause massive infection and agonizing sickness or death.
Now, as I say, I didn't see the show, but my friend watched it twice to make sure he heard it right.
My question is:
Did he in fact hear what he thought he heard, and if so, how can the History channel advocate such reprehensible behaviour on the part of a public that might do horrible injury to innocent animals?
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Nov 8, 2007 4:23 PM
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I don't know if anyone knows how many people are required for a shoot, but generally there are about 10 offscreen to every 1 on. That rock was thrown by a human, probably on a mandated union break. And the DNA, was left out in the weather and sun for how long before it was tested? Bamboozled.
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Nov 8, 2007 4:33 PM
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The History Channel did not advocate this practice, the owner of the cabin put it out to discourage bears from breaking in to the cabin while unattended. It is deplorable,irresponsible and idiotic, but the History Channel only reported on the results from an occurrence of it.
As for the results,there is a team of "Bigfoot Hunters" poised for a true video capture of this creature and when they get what appears to be a great chance to see him they run for shelter? Then they present dna that has been left in the sun and elements for how long? And try to present it as something else? History my ass.
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Nov 8, 2007 4:58 PM
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I'm a professional news videographer (that is to say a T.V. camera man). One question for the crew who worked on this show...You have camera traps AND THEY WEREN'T USED THE NIGHT OF THE ROCK THROWING??? That obviously has "field producer" written all over it! And don't give me the line they weren't night time equipped cameras! Once again, blurry cameras and second hand reports. However, I did watch the show so I baited in to the ratings. Mission accomplished from the history channels point of view.
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Nov 8, 2007 5:50 PM
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Hello
I just hope they make a trip to Vancouver Island.They should get some A rating sightings There.
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Nov 8, 2007 6:03 PM
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What I don't understand is if indeed these researchers and the history channel people feel strongly that there really is a Bigfoot around this cabin why don't they setup a serious search, say over 30 days and put night cameras all over the area around the house. Do it during the time of year most of the "encounters" occur. Because if there is something, they surely would get some evidence from that. Unless of coarse they don't really believe there is a creature there and that was an agravated producer throwing the rocks out in the woods?? Imagine the ratings if something compelling was actually found.
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Nov 9, 2007 12:24 AM
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I must admit that DO enjoy these types of programs, even though I know full well that if some kind of earth shattering evidence were ever to surface, we would probably be seeing/reading about it on CNN 15 minutes after it is obtained and long before the airing of this program that was shot who knows when. (2006?)
It is my sincere belief that someone was "pulling the chain" of the young audio tech who was the alleged target of a stone projectile. Either that or, since it was the last night of their "stay", the field director decided that it was his last chance to add a little "spice" to his documentary. One thing is just too damn puzzling to me... if you TRULY thought that a sasquatch (or it's equivalent) had been hurling stones in your direction....WHY would you leave the area the next morning?? I mean, you have spent countless hours traversing the area, set up remote cameras, camped outside, etc....and NOW you finally believe you have MIGHT have encountered the object of your search...and you decide that you can't stay for a awhile longer?????? Hell, if I was a researcher...I think I'd arrange to stay for a couple WEEKS even if I had to maintain a skeleton crew or even by myself if the need be. I certainly wouldn't walk away from a recent encounter if I believed it to be real. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't care to hear about other "deadlines" and "obligations", etc.... if you're THAT close to finding something, why leave???
But like I said... I enjoy the show just for the entertainment value. I really don't care much for the upcoming episodes about giant squids and birds, etc... but I do dig the Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Skunk Ape episodes.
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Nov 9, 2007 12:48 AM
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I agree. Myself and a friend thought it was shocking.
Who would ever put out a such a dangerous board of nails? What if kids accidentally stepped on the rusty nails? Why injure a Sasquatch in such a way just to get evidence?
This is science at its lowest. History Channel should be ashamed of themselves for promoting such tactics.
Meldrum and Nelson, you've lost all my respect and lowered yourself in the evolutionary scale.
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Nov 9, 2007 1:06 AM
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Hi Gigantopithecus,
I am QUITE confident that most don't share the same feeling but I do agree that if it was MY property, I wouldn't put out a board of nails at the front door. With that being said, I feel obligated to state that (if I remember correctly) that board wasn't put out by Meldrum, Nelson or anyone at the History Channel. As a matter of fact, the board was put out by the owner of the property quite some time before the History Channel became involved. While it's true that the History Channel didn't speak out against it's practice or portray it in a negative light.....the owner is the one ultimately responsible. IN my opinion. I also believe that his response would be... "We are X number of miles from nowhere and there is an extremely slim chance that anyone would be out here". That being said.... I still disagree with his decision. (I also disagree that a bear or Sasquatch destroyed his cabin. It looks to me like a couple of kids (or young adults) DID indeed visit his cabin in the middle of nowhere and destroy it. Being a police officer for over 20 years, I have seen many, MANY examples of similar actions in homes throughout the city which were very, very similar.
Also, there are many, MANY well publicized opinions that the only way to obtain "proof" of it's existence is to shoot one dead and bring the body back for experimentation. I find the very thought personally irresponsible and evil....but it's a very popular theory. I seem to recall that Grover Krantz did (prior to his unfortunate passing) advocate killing one if the chance ever did exist. I am 180 degrees the opposite but then again...it's one man's opinion.
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Nov 9, 2007 4:35 AM
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So once and for all - nobody put down the nail board as a means to capture bigfoot DNA. It was put down by the cabin's owners to keep bears/sasquatch from breaking down the door of the cabin. Whether you agree with such a tactic is your own decision, but it had nothing to do with the show or its producers. I also agree that it was probably just a group of kids who vandalized the place.
The episode was OK, but I agree with the comments above about them hiding when they were confronted by alleged contact with one of the creatures. This is even more ridiculous when you consider that one of the researchers had just spent the previous night camped out alone actively trying to attract the creature - was he going to hide in his little nylon tent had Sasquatch made an appearance?
Back to the nail board - let me get this straight, you are convinced that Sasquatch broke into your cabin and ransacked it. You make a board of nails to keep Sasquatch or bears from doing it again. You come back, the thing is dripping in blood with tissue and hair all over it. Do you immediately take it to a lab and have it analyzed because you might have irrefutable proof of the existence of one of the greatest mysteries of mankind - no, you apparently leave it sitting out in the rain for two years. Come on.
Sorry, the show was enjoyable entertainment, but some of the stuff they did just didn't add up.
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