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May 27, 2008 5:37 PM
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Now the Obama campaign is saying that Obama actually was speaking of his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne, assigned to the 89th Infantry Division,and it was Buchenwald, not Auschwitz, that old Charlie helped to liberate.
So let's look at Charlie Payne's enlistment records:
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
This is going to get good.
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 5:45 PM
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The records don't lie.
This IS gonna get good. Especially if we get more people who were supposed to be this "uncle."
Stay tuned for the spin machine to hit terminal velocity.
PS - Anybody wanna bet that Charlie here served in the Pacific, not in Europe?
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Edited by ReformedLiberal at 05/27/2008 5:57 PM
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 5:55 PM
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I'm looking up where the 89th ID was from mid April 45 to May 7 45 to see where the division was in relation to Buchenwald and Dachau. Should be equally interesting...
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 6:08 PM
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This is just getting better and better. An author couldn't make up stuff like this.
Thing is this KID is going to be allowed to get away with this made up family history.
>Stay tuned for the spin machine to hit terminal velocity.
It's already up to serious cavitation rates, much more and the blades come off the screw.
>PS - Anybody wanna bet that Charlie here served in the Pacific, not in Europe?
Since the bulk of the WWII Navy was in the Pacific I'd say that was a pretty good bet shipmate.
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There is absolutely NO SUCH THING as a "Gun Free Zone." None. All such a designation means is a target rich environment for the preditor with no real chance of being stopped.
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 6:16 PM
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"The 89th Infantry Division in World War II was the first unit to actually come upon a Nazi concentration camp. The discovery of the Ohrdruf camp, by the 89th Infantry Division, is memorialized in the Holocaust Museum located in Washington, DC.
Ohrdruf was a work camp, not an extermination camp, but the difference is difficult to discern. Prisoners were literally worked to death and disposed of by burning in incinerators, which was the most "cost-effective method". As the Allies approached, panic set in for the guards. Those inmates who couldn't walk were shot. Others were forced to march towards a "safe haven", with most of them dying in the effort. It was a horrible and unbelievable scene which seared its way into one's memory. "
http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/index.htm
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 6:17 PM
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The only camp liberated by the 89th was Ohrdruf. It was a slave labor camp not a death camp. Most of the prisoners there were Eastern Europeans, mainly Poles. Its only connection to Buchenwald was that it was a administrative satellite of that camp.
The 89th subsequently headed south into Germany and Czechoslovakia missing Buchenwald.
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 6:33 PM
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Oh, and didn't Obama say "Gramps" signed up the day after Pearl Harbor?
Dunham, Stanley A., enlisted, 18June42.
Wow, that one was long day.
So, great Uncle Charlie, who was in the Navy, helped liberate Buchenwald.
Gramps, who enlisted, according to Obama, really enlisted seven months later.
Fasten your seatbeat, there are some vets on this and it is gonna get good.
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 6:43 PM
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It seems Barack Obama suffers from the same thing Hillary Clinton suffers from: "lyingsomuchIcan'tkeepmyliesstraight-itis."
But, that's what Democrats do best.
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May 27, 2008 6:45 PM
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Oops caught him in another lie! The 89th Division did NOT LIBERATE BUCHENWALD!
It was the 6th Armored and 83rd Infantry Divisions that liberated the camp! (wikpedia article on Buchenwald)
In fact wasn't the 89th Division that went to the Elbe with the Ninth Army? (that actually could be an interesting story there! Oh well)
OOPS!
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 6:54 PM
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The media will ignore it like they ignored Bama's claim of 57 States. Actually there are 57 Islamic states. Coincidence? Look at what the media did to Dan Quayle when he put an "e" on the end of potato. I bet the reporters had to check their portable spell-checkers before they launched into their outrage mode. Bama will get a pass just like they used to give to Hillary.
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 7:28 PM
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Your point? His great uncle is a war hero. The more you cons keep bringing this up the better. LOL!!!
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May 27, 2008 7:32 PM
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His great uncle is a war hero.
If the guy even existed, at this point he just another veteran. What makes him a "war hero?" At this point, we are not even sure which relative Obama might have been refering to.
Just because one served does not make one a "hero."
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 7:33 PM
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> Your point? His great uncle is a war hero. The more
> you cons keep bringing this up the better. LOL!!!
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Since when do you admire war heroes on the American side?
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 7:34 PM
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My cousin dive bombed a Japanese battleship and won the Navy Cross!
WHAT DID YOUR RELATIVES DO MPA?
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Re: Barack's War Torn Uncle
May 27, 2008 7:36 PM
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> Just because one served does not make one a "hero."
I am sure that the 145k men and women putting their lives on the lines for your sorry arse, will apreciate that.
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