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History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Feb 7, 2004 11:42 AM
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I understand that after discussions with the LBJ group over The Guilty Men episode of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, the A&E Networks has sold all rights to this program. I further understand that the buyer(s) are to remain anonymous, and the program will not be broadcast or offered for sale. If this is the case, this is one of the worst things perpetrated on the American public since the Warren Commission. For anyone who doesn't believe that LBJ was a scoundrel of the highest order, do a little research. Look up Bobby Baker, Cliff Carter, Billie Sol Estes, and Mac Wallace. I would welcome an investigation into the allegations put forward in the Guilty Men, unfortunately now it will be buried. If this is indeed the case, the A&E Networks and their owners blew a chance to open up the slimy can of worms that was led by Lyin Lyndon Johnson. The American public has been denied the truth once again. The evidence is out there, and The Guilty Men only scratched the surface. Mac Wallace was a murderer, Estes and Baker were extortionists, and LBJ was their leader. Estes has provided documented proof that LBJ ordered the murder of Henry Marshall and others, and has provided a list of killings, which included JFK, LBJ was responsible for. The LBJ group doesn't want this coming to national attention, and once again the media submitted to being a part of the coverup. History and truth was on your side A&E, and you abandoned it. What was the price paid to conceal the truth? Certainly more than the dollars you received.
RJ Smith
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Feb 7, 2004 6:01 PM
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I totally agree. The Johnson loyalists
don't want this program to be aired again. What are they afraid of if they can prove it's only fiction? This is an example of censorship in the worst case scenario. The Johnson people do not want to create a public display and air out his "dirty laundry"
in a public forum like a court of law.
Unfortunately, The History Channel went along with this shameful display of censorship in America.
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Feb 8, 2004 7:19 PM
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What is becoming of this country?
Why are people being banned from
viewing a documentary?
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Feb 15, 2004 11:04 AM
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In my opinion, the History Channel's
choice of members of its panel to investigate the validity of "The Guilty Men," the documentary which blames President Johnson for the assassiation of JFK, is ridiculous.
One member, Robert Dallek, has already written in a previous book that
LBJ was not involved in the assassination. His bias is sure to be exposed during his tenure on this panel. Who really chose the members of this panel, The History Channel or Lyndon Johnson loyalists like Jack Valenti?
BC
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Mar 8, 2004 6:19 AM
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Well stated, Turk!
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 5, 2004 12:08 AM
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YOur 3 "historians" weren't there. Barr McClellan WORKED for the law firm representing Johnson, and wrote an excellent book on it.
How DARE the history channel stiffle free speech in America. Since when is it illegal to make movies about Republican Presidents (like Reagan's movie) and Republican backed, oil tycoon's boy "lyin Lyndon"?
This is a mockery of freedom in America, and the history channel should apologize, but to the American public.
Recent statistics show that 85% of Americans DISCOUNT the Warren Commission which was a JOKE on all of us.
As long as the media stays complicit in the cover up of the Kennedy assassination, they will continue to be guilty for every ugly thing that has happened in America ever since.
The media is still covering up all the lies our government has told us, especially their part in the Stolen Election of 2000. Covering up all the lies from the Bush administration is more blood on your hands. Covering up the lies for illegal wars with 612 U.S. children DEAD for the same oil-corporate-whores that had JFK killed puts it squarely on the heads of the corporate owned media.
The media is supposed to be fair and unbiased. Yet, your gestapo like removal of The Guilty Men, shows you for what you are. Revisionist history to suit the powers that be.
Sad days indeed for America.
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 7, 2004 8:37 PM
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Tonight's rebuttal panel program to
The Guilty Men documentary was amateurish at best. Robert Dallek said there is no censorship in America. He said this on the very channel that censored "The Guilty Men." Stanley Kutler said the Warren Commission was published in 1965. He said it twice. Shouldn't a historian know it was published in 1964??
If the HC censors any program from further view, it should be this one.
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 7, 2004 8:57 PM
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I never, for a moment, felt deluded that the history channel was presenting fact with "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". Within these programs several different conspiracies were offered and, as an intelligent watcher, I felt it was given to me to make any decisions about the truth or fiction of each possibility. The show "The Guilty Men" is definitely more of a travesty than the show it attempts to debunk. Give us a break! Those of us who watch this channel have more intelligence than that!
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 7, 2004 9:45 PM
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Why does no one look to the obvious? Who hated JFK, RFK, and MLK? Who had the resources to influence local police in cover-ups? If there was any complicity, J. Edgar was at the center!
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 8, 2004 8:42 AM
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I agree the History Channel bowed to pressure from LBJ estate. America will never know the truth. The three professors could not refute any of the evidence that was presented by Barr McClelan except he was a crook and History Channel should not have aired the program. There is still a conspiracy and this is the most logical. Fortunately the book by Barr Mcclelan is still out three of which I have two copies
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 8, 2004 11:51 AM
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No one is banned from watching the documentary, but the History Channel has the right not to show a documentary that does not meet basic criteria. That documentary about LBJ ordering JFK's assassination was the biggest load of bovine scatology I had the displeasure of stepping in in my 15 years of researching the JFK assassination.
Most of the programs the History Channel aired last fall were total crap and the programmers should never have aired them. I guess they figured ratings were more important than facts.
Just like the other documentary they aired about Oswald's supposed "girlfriend" of the summer of 1963. Absolutely no evidence, just some brit trying to use his fancy accent to impress us yanks into forgetting he had nothing to back up his claims. Just goes to show you that you never know what you'll catch when you drag a dollar through a trailer park.
I began researching the assassination convinced it was a conspiracy, yet never found one iota of evidence to support any conspiracy theory. Authors "convinced" of a conspiracy, like David Lifton, made up data or ignored the testimony of key individuals just to back up their presuppositions. Maybe other people wanted JFK dead, but Oswald got to him first. To believe otherwise is to be played as fool by a traitor and defector who laughs at us from his grave everytime someone esposes the conspiratorial theorythat Oswald did not act alone.
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 8, 2004 2:32 PM
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I am disappointed with your program defending Lyndon B. Johnson for the assignation of John F. Kennedy. I heard these historians making these statements about how LBJ could not have ordered JFK killed. But, they still have not convinced me.
I was thirty-seven at the time of Kennedy's death and followed the newscasts and investigations very closely. I was really upset by the Warren Commission's report. I felt at the time, and I still do, that there was a cover-up.
I feel that the apology by The History Channel was premature and that this latest program was out of place. I suggest that you should have a program debating the facts about how Kennedy was killed. Was it Oswald by himself, or as others believe, by more than one person. I would like to hear other explanations about the tracks of the bullets, how Oswald could have fired the gun so rapidly and accurately and why Kennedy's head snapped to the rear.
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 8, 2004 3:37 PM
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I've been practicing law for 22 years, now. I offer this as a preface to my comments:
If THC has indeed withdrawn the program, offered an apology and agreed never, ever to show it again, then it would seem both logical and likely that someone mentioned in the program said the "L" word.
No -- not "liberal."
Libel.
Given that truth is an absolute defense to libel, THC's response would seem to indicate that they could not prove the truth of the matters asserted in the program.
Again, I have no certain knowledge either way. I was not and am not, privy to any threats, counterthreats or negotiations. But this kind of agreement _is_ fairly commonplace under such circumstances.
After all -- if they were certain that they could prove the truth, what could possibly prevent them from portraying themselves as martyrs for the First Amendment. Hell, even Larry Flynt could see that far ahead.
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 12, 2004 12:02 AM
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To all interested...
Barr McClellan was interviewed last week on Black Op Radio.
Archived as show 166
http://www.blackopradio.com
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Re: History Channel Sell Out, The Guilty Men/LBJ
Apr 14, 2004 4:11 PM
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An Open Letter to the Board of Directors; The History Channel:
The History Channel,
As you are well aware, on April 7, 2004, the History Channel had broadcast a special, as titled, "The Guilty Men: A Historical Overview", in which an appointed THC panel, consisting of three historians moderated in forum, was assembled to respond to various allegations, that was alleged (then) vice-president Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the Kennedy assassination, of evidence that had been presented in the HC documentary, "The Guilty Men", which aired last November.
As a concerned American, I was outraged of that particular rebuttal presentation and in turn, of the end result you had set forth.
I am certain, you noted of the majority of respondents who have posted here, on this HC thread (thus far), are much DISMAYED of your actions to buckle and concede to the desired whims of those who ultimately gained in having suppressed (The Guilty Men) for good, and that of any further consideration of this program, by certain individuals who profited inmensly in the Johnson White House, and, from Kennedy's murder in 1963.
In the recent ensuing THC controversy, it had been noted the establishment press proliferated much on what had been decided... of the THC rebuttal, as opposed to not drawing, of any reference whatsoever... of what not had been presented, in counter, of the compelling evidence which had pointed to LBJ's own complicity in various murders, including that of the 1963 assassination.
Naturally, the THC's appointed panel would simply dismiss of the glaring evidence they would choose not to get into, that of the same evidence they would choose not to discuss, nor even attempt to refute of, again... based on the overwhelming facts they decided to so ignore.
We are well aware that the History Channel's (now) retraction of "The Guilty Men", would only serve well with the panel's (so-called) "investigation" and the verdict they so rendered: in that Lyndon Baines Johnson, was "not involved" in any way, shape, or form... hence, all the while condemning the History Channel, along with Barr McClellan's book, a book they so readily dismissed as a work of "fiction", and, quote... "garbage."
Of course, we expected nothing less of what was presented of this "historical overview", that of it's shallow efforts the panel vigorously sought in presenting counter.
In the final analysis, the History Channel succeeded of doing further damage in reversing the public trust, when the HC stated, in the AP wires, last November 18, that they had presented... "a point of view that was meticulously researched... (and) by presenting different viewpoints we enable our viewers to decide to agree or disagree with them and arrive at their own conclusions."
Unfortunately, to the HC's own credit, this "overview" served only as a redeeming opportunity to attack the very message that was released, given that, of the message it so implied, and of course, that of the messenger himself... Barr McClellan.
McClellan's book, "Blood, Money, And Power: How LBJ Killed JFK", comes at juncture in our life-time, and probably more than ever before... we may be so close, in opening the lid off this "pandora's box", which had been guarded and protected for many, many years, by the same vested "interests" who are still protecting... this "old" crime.
But in the end, sadly, the THC panel's own conclusions can only be viewed (in my perspective) as a showing they had so demonstrated, of their own vague and shallow "academical" findings.
To the majority of most Americans who knows well of the truth, it was a wasted effort to which they failed.
But I would remind you, there was this one passage, that was heard in "The Guilty Men", which concluded, and I quote:
"Undaunted, across the nation, the questioning voice of the American people will not be silenced. An overwhelming majority refuse to accept their government's version of what happened in Dallas, on November the 22nd, 1963."
But the questioning voice of the American people has been silenced by the History Channel. And to that end, for all it's intent and purposes, the History Channel is "guilty" in having done precisely that.
Signed,
Jim Feliciano
Hist.Revisionist
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